Be sure to read all of rule 21 - if the part(s) in question are supposed to be permanently attached to the robot, but have been separated by damage - you can pick it up.

And of course if the object is a mission model that scores if it gets to base, but gets dropped outside of base, it does not score (subject to the rule 21 exception), but that's covered in the Missions and Updates.

Brian

On Oct 8, 2012, at 12:04 AM, VA/DC Referee Advisor wrote:

> In most cases the scoring for the missions does not say anything about
> objects that the robots leaves on the board.
> 
> Rule 27, Scoring, bullet 1 says:
> Unless a specific method is required, your score is assessed based on
> the conditions at the exact time the match ends only.
> 
> Rule 3, Interpretation, bullet 2 says:
> If a detail isn’t mentioned, then it doesn’t matter.
> 
> Each of the Missions tells its criteria for earning a score.
> The only mission score that can be affected by LEGO objects left on
> the field is the Transitions mission.
> 
> Rule 21, Failure and Loss, bullets 2 and 4 specifically mention
> objects and cargo that the robot leaves on the field--so you know that
> leaving objects on the field is allowed:
> - Objects moved/left outside Base are not replaced or moved out of the
> way by hand.
> - Cargo the robot loses contact with is left wherever it comes to rest
> 
> 
> There is nothing in the Rules that allows for "partial points"
> (although some results for accomplishing a mission are worth more than
> others, of course.)
> 
> Bottom line--yes, it is okay for the robot to leave objects scattered
> around the field at the end of the match.  They will not affect the
> scoring, except as specifically described in the Updates, Missions,
> and Rules.
> 
> Steve Scherr
> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
> 
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Purnima <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> While doing a mission if a piece of lego block or part of contraption is
>> some how fell or left on the board, and mission was completed successfully
>> does this count? Do we get full pint or it is illegal.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Purnima
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Renee Jensrud <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ivan,
>>> 
>>> I would recommend that you tell the family that the team is closed at this
>>> point. It sounds as though your team is working well as is, and the
>>> chemistry will definitely change adding someone at this late date. However,
>>> to encourage that individual to join next year, I suggest you invite them to
>>> the regional tournament as a team observer, and perhaps to a working
>>> meeting/practice or two. That way they will see what the kids are working
>>> on, get a close-up picture of what it takes, and get to enjoy the positive
>>> energy generated from the tournament.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Before we decided to form a team, we went to a regional FIRST high school
>>> competition, to see what it was all about. That got us pumped up and ready
>>> to jump in 2 years ago.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> Renee
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brittany Rose
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 4:37 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] New Team Member
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ivan,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am offering a slightly different perspective than some of the others
>>> offered here.  While I am a rookie FLL coach, I have coached Jr.FLL for
>>> three years and I have been an FLL tournament volunteer and organizer for
>>> many more.  I would - if in this situation - tell the interested family that
>>> membership to the team for this season is closed.  The team has been working
>>> together on the challenge for more than a month and we are effectively at
>>> the halfway point of the season.  I'm not a fan of turning away kids who
>>> want to be involved, but I also recognize that there need to be boundaries
>>> and saying "yes" to/accommodating every interested child - especially
>>> mid-season - is not feasible and can make your life that much more difficult
>>> as a coach.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Brittany
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Daniel McDonald wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This same situation happened to me last year.  Right or wrong, here's what
>>> I did.  I told the parent that I had closed enrolment for the team when the
>>> Challenge was released in early September.  I said I wouldn't reopen until
>>> after the Qualifier tournament, in case the team advanced.  My, possibly
>>> flawed, reasoning was that the original commitment of the participating
>>> families was up to the Qualifier, and I intended to have them all decide if
>>> they wanted to continue after the initial commitment was met.  The team
>>> didn't advance, so that never played out.  I invited the family to join this
>>> year, and they're in.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Daniel McDonald
>>> Team #156
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2012 3:09 PM, "Darlene Pantaleo" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I feel the same way as Brandy, but I also think that Phil's idea to let
>>> this possible new member come to the meetings and the event in a lesser
>>> role, with the understanding that he can be a full team member next season.
>>> Events start in less than a month, after all, and you said that most of the
>>> work has been done.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2012, at 2:42 PM, B Bergenstock wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Out of all the good questions you have asked yourself in this email- ask
>>> the team?  How will the new kid fit into the team? - the last consideration
>>> you should try to imagine is if not attending this season's competition
>>> would discourage them from attending next season.   The parents must know
>>> OCTOBER is late in the season, and they missed the cut off that the other
>>> members came in on.
>>> 
>>>      If your team is happy and productive, I don't see a compelling
>>> reason to add new members at this point.  If you were lacking in any area-
>>> research/ drama people or engineers- then you might have a reason to let in
>>> new and fresh talent, but having a balanced team seems like a  great way to
>>> go into your first competition.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Brandy
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Ivan Gil <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good afternoon,
>>> 
>>> I have a bit of a quandary and I'm hoping that someone will be able to
>>> provide me with an answer. Our is composed of eight children and have been
>>> meeting since the end of July and we just had a parent that has asked if
>>> their child can join the team. How should I answer this question? Is it too
>>> late in the game? Have the other children done most of the work (and they
>>> have), is there a rule as to when we should cutoff membership, should I put
>>> it up for a vote with the team? I do not want to take this opportunity away
>>> from this child by telling him no, he can't join as I feel that would
>>> discourage him from joining next year but I also want to be fair to the rest
>>> of the team. Please provide me with the wisdom that comes from being a
>>> veteran as I am rookie coach.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Ivan Gil
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