After we starting using the quarter (as suggested by Steve Scherr) to
support the wall when we were pushing pieces back together we have not had
significant problems with the robot using the wall as a navigational aid and
hurting the wall.

Eric

 


 
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-----Original Message-----
From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Patrick & Cari Norton
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems

I'm curious about this as well.  When we go over the yellow guide walls on
our field mat, we aren't damaging them.  So should we change our plan b/c 
others are or it might happen at the tournament?   We wouldn't be aware of 
the potential damage if we weren't listening in on the listserv.  Maybe we
will have a "Plan B" ready just in case?

Cari N




----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Roberts" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems


> Hmm.  I have to admit that one of the strategies my team is considering
> involves driving over the walls.  I didn't see anything in the rules that
> preclude this but I wonder if they did this and the wall got damaged could
> that be ruled "deliberate" damage?  or would it only be deliberate if they
> clearly intended to damage them (e.g. "bulldozing" or otherwise knocking
> them out of the way)?
>
> Is this something that should be submitted to the Q&A blog?
>
> - glenn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems
>
> I wouldn't worry about accidental damage. The general rule is that it's
> gotta look deliberate and/or play into the team's strategy (I guess that
> would imply deliberate). I.e., if your robot tries to make points by going
> over the guide walls, knocking them down in the process, that would 
> probably
> NOT be acceptable. If they're known to be fragile and they fall over when
> bumped, it's as likely to hurt as help, and is not (or at least should not
> be) penalizable (hmm, apparently that's not a word, but you know what I
> mean!).
>
> And yes, sometimes they will be glued -- but you can't count on that,
> either.
> -- 
> Phil Smith III
> Virginia State Judge Advisor, 2007, 2008, 2009
> Judge Advisor, Northern Virginia Regional tournaments, 2007, 2008
> Division 1 Judge Advisor, Virginia State tournament, 2006
>
> Coach, The Capital Girls, Oak Hill (retired)
> Team 1900 (2002)
> Team 2497 (2003)
> Team 2355 (2004)
> Team 1945 (2005)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eric Palmer
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems
>
> I'll have to go back and read the rule again about if we damage the guide
> walls unintentionally. They are just a fragile design.  But if the walls 
> are
> not solid it may change the behavior of the robots and the time it takes 
> for
> the judges to piece them together may be a factor.
>
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