Sounds good. Time factors in here again though. With one-day tournaments, 
the priority is making sure the teams get enough rounds on the table and are 
able to make it to their judging sessions and callbacks. Tournaments in 
general tend to run behind schedule, so this sometimes requires any extra 
time to be had. At the end, as soon as judges are done deliberating, the 
awards are given and the day is over. For smaller tournaments, there may be 
some time to add in presentations from the award-winning teams without too 
many complaints, but coming from a larger tournament, that is a long, 
exhausting day for everyone and I can't imagine too many people would want 
to stick around after the awards are given out.

At our tournament, we've tinkered with the possibility of showing the 
callback teams during judge deliberations as a way to fill the gap there, 
but it's never happened for one reason or another. Ideally, there could be a 
volunteer who would tape all judging sessions and show the callback teams on 
tape during that time, but that requires a whole other set of logistics and 
equipment.

In response to what Steve said, I also try to put useful comments on every 
feedback form and teach the judges at our tournament to do the same. It 
seems the first step toward getting feedback at your tournament is getting 
in touch with the judge advisor and requesting that feedback be given. 
Unfortunately not everyone who needs to hear this is on this listserv. Also, 
if we're going to put feedback on those forms, come ask after the awards for 
them. Your tournament might have them and you just don't know it because 
they forget to announce it. That happens more times than you might think.

Hope some of that helps,

Cynthia
Judge

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Burke, Stephanie" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] food for thought about scores


> One idea I think would be useful is to have the top teams demonstrate
> their work at the end of the tournament during the awards ceremony.
> Have the team with the top challenge score re-run their 2.5 min missions
> when everyone can watch it.  Then the team with the top
> design/programming score show their robot and describe a few of their
> unique features, and the team with the winning project presentation
> re-run their presentation.  This way, all the teams have a chance to see
> what a really good team (of kids just like them) can do, and what is
> possible.  In my experience, they are so busy during the day, they have
> little time to really see what the others teams did, and don't really
> know which of the teams they do see are the best.  I think that most of
> the teams can then see how their results compare to the best at the
> competition without worrying about a specific score, and that gives them
> a very good understanding of what they could work on for next year.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: First Lego League Discussion
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Haskins
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] food for thought about scores
>
> Speaking as a coach, *any* feedback would be better than what we get
> now, which is basically a score (with the recent discussion, per the
> FLL the score means "almost nothing"). Noting the rubric with how the
> team could improve on specific rubric items would be great.
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Steve Scherr <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> John--an alternative might be a feedback guide, helping judges
> understand what types of
>> feedback you and others find useful.
>>
>> In my experience as a judge (in another state), I made it a point
> always to write some comments
>> down.  Very often they were of the form "Great job on XXX!  Think
> about working on YYY in the
>> future."  It was hard to give more detailed feedback because of the
> time constraints.  The things I
>> emphasized varied based on the type of judging I was doing, of course.
>>
>> Would Listserv readers consider this type of feedback helpful, or do
> coaches think that a variety of
>> more generic but wider-sweeping areas are better?  Examples:
> enthusiasm, eye contact, right
>> volume, team member involvement, etc.?
>>
>> Steve Scherr
>> Judge
>
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