I like what I saw the team from Ashburn doing.  Think of how NASA did the
lunar lander and the orbiting module.  The lunar lander left the orbiting
module, went to the moon, landed, and when it took off it left the base
there.  It then reunited with the orbiting module before beginning it's path
back to Earth.  Look at all the good engineering that happened on Apollo 13
with common components to make the famous CO2 scrubbers.  I have never had a
team that used the module idea but I wish the would.  I think it takes
imagination and thinking outside of the box.

Rusty

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"Obviously it is well within the rules to do so, but what is the opinion 
on the approach from this group? "

Frank,

I guess it depends on how you look at it.  From the perspective off the 
FLL Game, I 'd say it is a very elegant solution.    However as a real 
world solution - maybe not so much.  I guess you could say the same for 
a two wheeled robot with skid plates.     If the kids feel passionate 
about customizing a solution that is only relevant to the robot game 
then I'd think that they should be rewarded for their ingenuity.  On the 
same token if a kid feels strongly about applying a solution that has 
more real world applications (even if it is not the best solution on the 
table), then I would think that they should be rewarded as well.   For 
example, I had a 5th grader last year who wanted to build a winch to 
lower the solar panel onto the house.  The mission took 30 seconds to 
set up and only worked about 1/3 of the time.  This was definitely a bad 
solution on the table considering that the solar panel mission was only 
worth ten points.  However from a pure educational perspective, the 
child demonstrated the application of a simple machine in a very real 
world scenario.

David Levy
3rd year Coach : Team 90 - Super Nanobot  Extremes

Frank Fenneran wrote:
> Thanks for sharing Marie.  It is very helpful for this rookie coach.
>
> As it relates to Vector 67's methodology, I heard some coaches talking
about
> the prevalence of break-off and push-and-leave attachments this year.  The
> opinions were split...some liking the approach (push an attachment out and
> leave it) and some against it as inelegant and "messy".  Obviously it is
> well within the rules to do so, but what is the opinion on the approach
from
> this group?
>
> -Frank
> Brainstorms 6515
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vadcfll championship tournament
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Marie
> Kobayashi
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:24 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [VADCFLL-CHAMPIONSHIP-L] Vector 67 Climate Connection Game Plan
>
> Hello All!
>
> We received a number of requests for the mission summaries, and in
response
> to Desh's suggestion I'm posting the pdf attachment to the listserv.  I
also
> reprinted the previous description for completeness.  There were a couple
of
> notes that I added to the summaries to explain some of the attachment
> functions.  In reviewing the summaries, I noticed that the first four
> missions included photos that my son took before they added the agreement
> attachment to the robot prior to the start.
>
> In general, I think Vector 67's solution can be an encouragement to all
the
> teams because they relied on a basic robot design with basic programming.
I
> guess it was a strength that Vector 67 had very simple solutions.  For
> example, they came up with their solution to deliver the drill with a ramp
> in about five minutes.  I was personally a little skeptical that the
flimsy
> break-off piece that pushed the ramp would work, but the consistent result
> proved it out.  They probably didn't get a lot of design points for that
> mission.
>
> We saw many solutions at the regional and state tournaments that were more
> elegant and technically cool.  It seems that Vector 67 happened to find a
> simple combination of missions and attachments that worked this year.
>
> I hope this helps all of your teams in some way in developing a strategy
for
> the table next year.  We hope to see many of you again!
>
> Duane (and Marie) Kobayashi
> Team 6767 - "Vector 67"
>
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