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Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]>
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tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]>
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I'd go with Frantz Fanon instead.  Not as many twitter followers though.

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On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 1:05 PM Andrea Zagaria <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Hi Barbara!
> Thanks for the link! I looked over it. It seems cool, I`ll think about
> that.
> Thanks also for the book reference.
>
> Btw, I did not mean that Europe has not problems with racism, I was just
> speculating - from a pure ingenue perspective, as I am a psychologist and
> not a sociologist  - that the "american" and the "european" racisms are two
> different justification systems.
>
> Thanks four your kind feedback.
> Let`s keep in touch.
>
> Andrea
>
> Il ven 12 giu 2020 18:57 Barbara Ingram <[log in to unmask]>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Andrea, I thought you might be interested in a webinar I will be checking
>> out. The first module gives background on racism in America.
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.driep.org_anti-2Dracism-2Dtraining&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=W3HhIiPYtxcte7W1Yomtv-pGeN7yNfux9vuUGgBfPMU&e= 
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.driep.org_anti-2Dracism-2Dtraining&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=yIuMvqTyDrX5Z-4COzx_7ejAYsqasbANwyiQkN4SrzA&s=6UgcCW7SdoKyLq73hLVgfOQJEufvOaOCQooj2c9TroY&e=>
>>
>> A very respected book on the history of racist ideas in America is "*Stamped
>> from the Beginning"* by Ibram X Kendi.
>>
>> Thanks for expressing your interest and reminding us of how different
>> things are in Europe.
>> Best, Barbara
>>
>>
>> Barbara Ingram, Ph.D.
>> Professor of Psychology
>> Pepperdine University Graduate School of Education and Psychology
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:30 AM Andrea Zagaria <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I didn't mean to get things simplistic, as I have a deep respect
>>> for the black community.
>>>
>>> I just wondered if that hypothesis could someway match; I can't really
>>> understand the violence of the police on black people, I think it is not
>>> comparable to any other western State, like the mass shootings phenomena.
>>>
>>> Being a bystander can be a weakness or sometimes a strength, I think. I
>>> didn't mean to be offensive to "America".
>>>
>>> From the outside, the racial issue is intrinsically paradoxical: many of
>>> the most famous and influent VIPs all over the world are Afro-American, yet
>>> a man can be chocked in the street while being filmed. Why?
>>> It`s paradoxical, I was just trying to get a sense of it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your answer.
>>>
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>> Il ven 12 giu 2020 17:46 Chance McDermott <[log in to unmask]> ha
>>> scritto:
>>>
>>>> Andrea,
>>>>
>>>> I think that the race situation in "America" is far too complicated for
>>>> any outsider to understand.
>>>>
>>>> For example, some of my black friends tell me that black lives matter
>>>> is a divisive tool that they want no part of, but performatively sometimes
>>>> go along with to avoid the stress and heat from activists.  One of my black
>>>> friends is a retired black panther and boot-legger, and the other is a
>>>> successful black doctor with deep roots in the deep south African American
>>>> community.  Another is a former blood gang member who now coaches troubled
>>>> youth.  And yet another specializes in black-mailing closeted white man for
>>>> social leverage.
>>>>
>>>> Open to discussing further. . .
>>>>
>>>> namaste
>>>>
>>>> -Chance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 10:39 AM Andrea Zagaria <
>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi TOK society,
>>>>> I am Italian and I have never been in the U.S., but I have been
>>>>> wondering for a while now about the current states of affairs in North
>>>>> America, regarding the racial discrimination.
>>>>> I have had several conversations with my girlfriend, who has been
>>>>> deeply immersed in the american popular culture since she was a kid. She
>>>>> thinks that the american hostility toward black people is somewhat
>>>>> qualitatively different from the European one.
>>>>> Shortly, she thinks that the main reason is historical: northern
>>>>> america has had black people as slaves, Europe has not (at least not in
>>>>> such a degree). So the european racism might be something different, more
>>>>> like a "fear" of the stranger than a genuine belief of superiority, or a
>>>>> justification system of exploitation.
>>>>>
>>>>> The nazionalsocialism and fascism could be immediately called into
>>>>> discussion to deny such hypothesis: the superiority of race has never been
>>>>> declared so clearly, yet the main hostility at the times was against Jews
>>>>> rather than against black people, and also in that case the reasons could
>>>>> be framed as historical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think it is a valid hypothesis? Is there any literature about
>>>>> that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks four your posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrea Zagaria
>>>>>
>>>>> Il ven 12 giu 2020 14:34 Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Ari, Kacey, Zak, Joe and others who have commented on this
>>>>>> thread,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Many, many thanks for these heartfelt, moving, authentic
>>>>>> expressions. To me, these are the ingredients of people of goodwill
>>>>>> attempting to come together to enhance dignity and well-being with
>>>>>> integrity. I am very much looking forward to the next two community
>>>>>> TOK-Thrive meetings on building bridges to create common ground with Mike
>>>>>> and hearing the panel discussion on perspectives of women of color led by
>>>>>> Paulihna.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   These exchanges make me proud to be part of this community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Gregg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Wilson, Katherine
>>>>>> Christine - wilso3kc (Dukes)
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:50 PM
>>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Two articles on Policing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Joe, Yes, Thank You! I appreciate your rant immensely and hope
>>>>>> you don’t retire too soon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Ari,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is a beautiful piece you have written that captures so much of
>>>>>> what I see white liberals and moderates in my generation struggling with. I
>>>>>> have written something similar in my head many times, but have feared that
>>>>>> sharing at this point would incur the rebukes and judgments from peers who
>>>>>> would see me as a part of the problem, less woke, and worthy of disdain.
>>>>>> Which perhaps is accurate, but not a palatable pill to swallow. For anyone
>>>>>> with a heart or nervous system, these are tough times to open your mouth
>>>>>> from a place of vulnerability or honesty, especially if it doesn’t resound
>>>>>> with the broader chorus that is undoubtedly several beats ahead of me
>>>>>> in waking up to what has been going on for centuries. I “knew” about
>>>>>> racism, but I didn’t “know”… I didn’t feel it in my bones every day, and
>>>>>> stare it in the face, and feel for my friends of color every time a micro
>>>>>> aggression passed me by as I moved forward unaware of what had even
>>>>>> transpired. That level of blindness is shocking to wake up too. Unnerving
>>>>>> and horrifying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see friends teetering on hiding in a corner right now because the
>>>>>> sense of shame and judgment from others, and a sense of not “getting it” or
>>>>>> not “getting it right enough.” I can imagine that shame is a tiny fraction
>>>>>> of what BIPOC/QTPOC have experienced for centuries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really feel you when you write, "This is an enormous collective
>>>>>> wound, I cannot heal it in myself quickly. I’m sorry.” I am right there
>>>>>> with you; the healing is slow and even catching the subtle ways in which
>>>>>> racism, historical systems of oppression, values of colonization and
>>>>>> capitalism, competition, and meritocracy show up in me are sneaky,
>>>>>> slippery, and hard to catch, check, and change (and I can often only do so
>>>>>> in hindsight initially). In many ways the “doing” U.S. culture I grew up
>>>>>> and swim within has trained me not to FEEL what is happening so that I
>>>>>> don’t even know how divorced I am from self and others at times (let alone
>>>>>> nature and other species). I feel we have immense work before us, and work
>>>>>> that is going to be triggering, threatening, painful, and require a level
>>>>>> of solidarity, compassion, patience, courage, persistence, and
>>>>>> collaboration with thoughtful, grounded, and wise leaders across various
>>>>>> fields, just to move the needle. I think we can do this work, and I think
>>>>>> we need unity more than condemnation of those just beginning to acknowledge
>>>>>> the ways in which the system has been and is broken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a mixed Irish American, who is also a descendant from slaves on my
>>>>>> father’s side (this is my great grandfather:
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.baltimoresun.com_news_bs-2Dxpm-2D1994-2D01-2D25-2D1994025180-2Dstory.html&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=-ZW-hfbdX3DogPpH0qvVjQVFDXZ1U4fOhluyfWnYWeQ&e= 
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.baltimoresun.com_news_bs-2Dxpm-2D1994-2D01-2D25-2D1994025180-2Dstory.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=FrGmXlfrLBiNc77zgaKlqUBI27IndXHsijmxn28DcaY&e=>),
>>>>>> I am a white passing person with a white-washed lineage due to a family
>>>>>> history of fear of retribution for the color of one’s skin (that led to
>>>>>> choices about who to marry and have children with). This history lives in
>>>>>> our DNA, and is woven into the fabric of everything that the U.S. is built
>>>>>> upon. We have to collectively take ownership for it, and figure out what
>>>>>> legacy we want to leave behind. No two of us are going to see, feel, and
>>>>>> recognize this time for what it is in the same way. And that is the power
>>>>>> and vulnerability of “the epistemological problem” (
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201910_there-2Dare-2Dtwo-2Dhard-2Dproblems-2Dconsciousness-2Dnot-2Done&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=VK0iYj7x1s1_gVwMLtr6Djpy-YmFD-Pa4zbD_ZJx-KI&e= 
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.psychologytoday.com_us_blog_theory-2Dknowledge_201910_there-2Dare-2Dtwo-2Dhard-2Dproblems-2Dconsciousness-2Dnot-2Done&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=Po8TMQMAIGr_tEyI-ew7F-x6mT5878_8SQCxxDPUcog&e=>
>>>>>> ) as Gregg has outlined.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have to find a method, practice, linguistic tool, set of
>>>>>> agreements, etc. to come together to really understand the summation of
>>>>>> the collective experience, discrepancies, injustices, various viewpoints,
>>>>>> to even have the right “data” to work with to paint a clear picture. Maybe
>>>>>> this is what the “Singularity” will actually be about (assuming it is a
>>>>>> benevolent singularity that works in the collective interests of humanity
>>>>>> in general). So while the systems of current data collection may be limited
>>>>>> and inherently biased due to the foundations upon which they operate,
>>>>>> perhaps this is changing in a direction that, if intentionally and
>>>>>> consciously employed, could curate a more clear picture of where we have
>>>>>> been and the possibilities of where to go from here with the most optimal
>>>>>> outcome for all. This is super idealistic, but I am honestly too afraid to
>>>>>> consider alternatives that could be coming down the pipeline…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone has already figured out the solution, and can explain to us
>>>>>> like we are six-year-olds (as not all of us share a genius IQ here, but
>>>>>> still want to help!), I entreat you to do so. For what better moment should
>>>>>> solutions be proffered?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, "young person rant” is now over.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> p.s. for those interested in a faith-based perspective on racism,
>>>>>> here is webinar from a Baha’i professor that I found insightful:
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wilmetteinstitute.org_centering-2Dthe-2Dpupil-2Dof-2Dthe-2Deye_&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=A9Eoy9Kg28kDMRN0p7PCi5RDTH4bG0kFgEwzB359Xes&e= 
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wilmetteinstitute.org_centering-2Dthe-2Dpupil-2Dof-2Dthe-2Deye_&d=DwMGaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=rQSowxTdRId-O4jkNvr4L8IFvh7g5hFAI8LSNFTwCKg&s=i1rcCRgDbLM01xS202JHUdwjRqZ8NC3pZdkooVqcKE8&e=>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Ari Delashmutt <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe's rant was pretty epic and knocked me in the head hard. It made
>>>>>> some things click. I wrote an article about said things, Medium says its a
>>>>>> 6 minute read. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_-40ariintheair_inquiring-2Dabout-2Dall-2Dlives-2Dmatter-2D3a248f6e568&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=hB-jBbHX6L6YLBS7HG8hgaskiQaIqQg6k_DMPR8fXIg&e= 
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__medium.com_-40ariintheair_inquiring-2Dabout-2Dall-2Dlives-2Dmatter-2D3a248f6e568&d=DwMFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=zBJ6lBDpCiQ4Bhq3euXX5MZVnTU26c6Dwa6pgV0hj3Q&s=1nPhh9I2G6sNcfQdNXTlBXMG1P33L3umcXo8VIJrIXI&e=>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With love,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ari
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 9:44 AM Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Thanks for this analysis. Very helpful in clarifying the
>>>>>> sociological issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Gregg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Joseph Michalski
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:04 PM
>>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Two articles on Policing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Colleagues:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With all due respect, I simply cannot support a "50-50, he said, she
>>>>>> said" approach to the analysis the state of policing and justification
>>>>>> systems invoked to support particular agendas. Please feel free to ignore
>>>>>> the following "rant" from a stereotypical "left-wing" sociologist, yours
>>>>>> truly. I don't agree w/ that characterization, but what choice do I have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if one could step outside of the political firestorm, the social
>>>>>> scientific theories and certainly the empirical evidence - including that
>>>>>> which Heather MacDonald (author, btw, of a book that I read a couple years
>>>>>> ago titled * The War on Cops*) cites - points to deep-seated biases
>>>>>> & differential treatment, as well as real-life differential outcomes for
>>>>>> what happens to "real people" in "real communities." But the discourse is
>>>>>> so tilted in the U.S. (even moreso than in Canada where I live) that it
>>>>>> would take far too much time to make the case for why even much of the
>>>>>> discourse even in the current framing tends to be far more "right-wing" and
>>>>>> conservative, as well as at odds with the social scientific literature.
>>>>>> MacDonald states that "I urge this committee to reject the proposition that
>>>>>> law enforcement today is systemically biased. The evidence does not support
>>>>>> that charge." And yet her own highly distorted & limited presentation of
>>>>>> the numbers *still* provides evidence of biases in policing and
>>>>>> disproportionate surveillance & criminalization of African-American (and
>>>>>> racialized minorities) in general. And, of course, she ignores the far
>>>>>> wider range of evidence that's even more damning and that would subvert her
>>>>>> claims entirely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But here's the bigger point. Most people ignore the fact that if you
>>>>>> want "more crime," then hold constant civilian behavior and simply increase
>>>>>> the number of police. More surveillance alone leads to more crime, all else
>>>>>> constant. More people looking for "bad behavior" will lead to more
>>>>>> observations, more arrests, etc. And who's in positions to "identify" and
>>>>>> "observe" and then "sanction" perceived crime? Those in positions of social
>>>>>> advantage and power. And that story has not changed all that much, despite
>>>>>> the civil rights movement of the 1960s. Law enforcement continues to be
>>>>>> highly skewed and biased, almost regardless of the metric that you use.
>>>>>> Tons of empirical stuff does not even get counted, such as the # of times
>>>>>> that people who are stopped for "identical reasons" if you could hold all
>>>>>> else constant (e.g., speeding) end up being treated *differently* on
>>>>>> the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, or any # of other social factors, to
>>>>>> say nothing of human psychology, that might affect how transactions &
>>>>>> interactions unfold. Where's all that data? Nowhere. And yet, do a thought
>>>>>> experiment with me. Imagine if you were to test all the police in terms of
>>>>>> their propensities for implicit bias or even overt manifestations of
>>>>>> racism? What if you did comprehensive personality profiles? What would you
>>>>>> find? And, then take that a step further. Despite the training they receive
>>>>>> (often only 12 weeks or less), how might they end up interacting with
>>>>>> "random" samples of people from the general public? What do you think you
>>>>>> *might* find if you were to really study these issues in-depth and
>>>>>> scientifically? Do you think you might see various forms of differential
>>>>>> treatment, especially if "unfiltered" (although, apparently in the case of
>>>>>> some officers like Derek Chauvin, it really doesn't even matter if the
>>>>>> camera is rolling)? What would be the distribution in terms of the general
>>>>>> police force, even if 90% were totally enlightened, fair-minded individuals
>>>>>> committed to the highest aspirations of the "protect and serve" philosophy
>>>>>> (btw, the evidence on who the police "are" from social scientific research
>>>>>> paints a vastly different picture)? So, if "only" 10% act on their biases,
>>>>>> what effect would that have & who would disproportionately be targeted? And
>>>>>> so on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And so the problems are far more deep-seated. If you want certain
>>>>>> groups to be targeted, then increase police presence & see what happens.
>>>>>> For example, what happens to "peaceful protesters" if there are more police
>>>>>> around to "watch"? Forget the rioting and looting - how many arrests of
>>>>>> looters have been caught on tape (and even then there are other issues to
>>>>>> consider)? How many peaceful protesters have been beaten, or tear-gassed,
>>>>>> or abused in one way or another?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there's a call to "de-fund" the police, does that mean no policing
>>>>>> services? Or does that mean shifting some of the funding to investments in
>>>>>> other types of services, education, health, infrastructure, opportunities,
>>>>>> and investments in "poor" communities? Even among self-identified
>>>>>> "liberals," how many want to live among and work with the poorest of the
>>>>>> poor, be the awesome teachers I had in Fairfax County in the 1970s (white,
>>>>>> privileged, wealthy, and largely segregated outside of TC Williams!) for
>>>>>> young people "at risk" in those communities, move their families & live
>>>>>> among & befriend those in the poorest neighbourhoods, and invest in small
>>>>>> businesses or have their larger corporations relocate in those communities
>>>>>> to create work incentives? And who's providing the health and social
>>>>>> services, working with those suffering from substance abuse problems, or
>>>>>> coaching the kids in sports and extra-curricular activities? No, none of
>>>>>> THAT stuff can really be "legislated" and you certainly cannot force people
>>>>>> to live in more integrated or diverse 'hoods, but at least recognize that
>>>>>> much of the funding and tax relief directly benefits the wealthy (as Billie
>>>>>> Eilish might sing, "Duh") and those in positions of power, including the
>>>>>> police & the military. Far more money is spent on the U.S. military (yes,
>>>>>> that's *directly* relevant to this discussion) and to U.S. policing
>>>>>> than to all other publicly-funded health and human services. Not even
>>>>>> close, especially if you set aside social security (which no one seems to
>>>>>> define as "socialism" in the U.S., but I digress...) But what's the
>>>>>> narrative being advanced in halls of power and certainly by the Trumpian
>>>>>> leadership on the right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cannot even begin to do justice to the thousands of scientific
>>>>>> research studies that demonstrate the full range of biases and inequalities
>>>>>> built into the systems of advanced-industrial democracies in general, to
>>>>>> say nothing of what's happening in the most extremely polarized &
>>>>>> militarized system on the face of the planet:  the U.S. military-industrial
>>>>>> complex, who funding exceeds the next 10 countries in the world combined.
>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I have spent my life trying to understand human behavior
>>>>>> and, specifically crime, violence, and social control - and none of that
>>>>>> (or the best of the work by the top leaders and pioneers in the field) gets
>>>>>> noticed, acknowledged, or built into most of the discussions. Speaking only
>>>>>> for myself, I think I may have reached the end of my career in even trying
>>>>>> to have intelligent conversations about any of this stuff any longer. I'm
>>>>>> sure I sound like a raving idiot. I just wish people could see at least
>>>>>> *some* of the arguments and evidence as to how far to the right the
>>>>>> discourse & justifications have shifted to the right. The one small kernel
>>>>>> of hope? Some white protesters getting beaten again randomly & for no
>>>>>> reason being detained are starting to ask, "Hey, I can't believe I'm being
>>>>>> attacked for simply 'living my life' and 'being here'." No shit. That's
>>>>>> what African-Americans and Indigenous peoples and racialized minorities
>>>>>> have been saying for centuries. Duh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or, as a right-wing nutcase brother of mine once complained, "I can't
>>>>>> believe a group of young black kids stopped & yelled at me 'hey Honky'
>>>>>> while I was playing tennis in LA." He was so angry that these youngsters
>>>>>> would throw that epithet in his direction, unprovoked & without knowing
>>>>>> him. I thought: Great, a teachable moment. I asked him to reflect on how
>>>>>> angry he got that this happened to him exactly once and as a successful,
>>>>>> wealthy, 40-something lawyer w/ a multi-million dollar home. And could he
>>>>>> imagine how his African-American counterpart might feel who experienced
>>>>>> this type of prejudice, bias, and discrimination regularly from the time of
>>>>>> being a child right on up throughout one's life. No, not *everyone* would
>>>>>> act that way toward the African-American walking among them. MOST people
>>>>>> would be kind and treat each person fairly and with respect. But, that
>>>>>> said, how many in the population would treat the racialized minority or the
>>>>>> "other" differently, negatively, and/or with hostility? And how many times
>>>>>> would that have happened over the many years? And what impact would that
>>>>>> have on one's self-esteem, confidence, or general feeling of well-being?
>>>>>> And yet look at what impact, my dear brother, just ONE incident had upon
>>>>>> your mental health and well-being as a successful grown man. He still
>>>>>> doesn't get it, and never will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much more to say, but I'll move along as an "old guy" now. But, in
>>>>>> contrast to a lot of others in my generation, I have a different sign on my
>>>>>> lawn. It's not "get off my lawn", but rather "all are welcome - come and
>>>>>> hang out on my lawn & I'll even get you a drink if you're thirsty..." Best,
>>>>>> -joe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Joseph H. Michalski
>>>>>>
>>>>>> King’s University College at Western University
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 266 Epworth Avenue, DL-201
>>>>>>
>>>>>> London, Ontario, Canada  N6A 2M3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: (519) 433-3491
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ______________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *e**i*π + 1 = 0
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* tree of knowledge system discussion <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Henriques, Gregg -
>>>>>> henriqgx <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2020 7:47 AM
>>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Two articles on Policing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear TOK List,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   For folks who are interested in understanding the divergent
>>>>>> “justification systems” that are operating about the state of policing in
>>>>>> this country, I recommend the following articles:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heather MacDonald is a conservative scholar who has long argued that
>>>>>> the fundamental progressive narrative about brutal cops as an aggregate is
>>>>>> misguided. This is a transcript of her testimony to congress yesterday:
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.city-2Djournal.org_repudiate-2Dthe-2Danti-2Dpolice-2Dnarrative&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=a-pg3xY8B2HW2RQ-zZZ6M-2rZgXmEuuZgEBNlVzVJkc&e= 
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.city-2Djournal.org_repudiate-2Dthe-2Danti-2Dpolice-2Dnarrative&d=DwMF-w&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h6kB7iQCbvdCGiWf2dX8DsIsU4IDPEmOLWq59xpgmxA&s=2s_tONfe_Ppbxvo1_VFMw_2AtomzpYiwXjJUPwpWx2E&e=>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nicholas Kristof is a liberal NY Times columnist who has long
>>>>>> advocated for social justice causes. This is his call for how to
>>>>>> effectively think about “defunding the police”:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2020_06_10_opinion_defund-2Dpolice-2Dfloyd-2Dprotests.html-3Fcampaign-5Fid-3D2-26emc-3Dedit-5Fth-5F200611-26instance-5Fid-3D19255-26nl-3Dtodaysheadlines-26regi-5Fid-3D35223894-26segment-5Fid-3D30632-26user-5Fid-3D8e4f03af2447d5adeb5069c9fb9bdf47&d=DwIFaQ&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=N3YkEHPXPtxUWUmPY251Y0w-QHROiYEyFyiOpsA-6MU&s=5SHKNX7Qvn5lhG-kud7YyuNYrSzKjH7jRe-hTVJT1Sk&e= 
>>>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2020_06_10_opinion_defund-2Dpolice-2Dfloyd-2Dprotests.html-3Fcampaign-5Fid-3D2-26emc-3Dedit-5Fth-5F200611-26instance-5Fid-3D19255-26nl-3Dtodaysheadlines-26regi-5Fid-3D35223894-26segment-5Fid-3D30632-26user-5Fid-3D8e4f03af2447d5adeb5069c9fb9bdf47&d=DwMF-w&c=eLbWYnpnzycBCgmb7vCI4uqNEB9RSjOdn_5nBEmmeq0&r=HPo1IXYDhKClogP-UOpybo6Cfxxz-jIYBgjO2gOz4-A&m=h6kB7iQCbvdCGiWf2dX8DsIsU4IDPEmOLWq59xpgmxA&s=pmUhEi7QK-PfiU3_NKYdXNTORTXOCsIISOzgZPnoEXI&e=>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   NEXT MONDAY at 5:30 pm EDT we will be having Professor Mike Mascolo
>>>>>> offer his insightful framework for understanding conflict, and bridging
>>>>>> divides to create common ground. A formal announcement will be coming soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Gregg
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> *Ari in the Air*
>>>>>> Athlete & Filmmaker
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