Thank you Gregg! This is helpful because the ListServe itself seem publicly perusable, but participating requires membership. Is that true? Then if so, we are good just to be able to see and think about what you all share here. Thanks :)
Lonny
Dr. Lonny Douglas Meinecke (King University)
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“Comparison is the thief of joy” – Theodore Roosevelt
“Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever” - Mahatma Gandhi
"God guard me from those thoughts men think In the mind alone" - William Butler Yeats (A Prayer For Old Age)
From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Henriques, Gregg - henriqgx
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 7:41 AM
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Hi Lonnie and Other List Members,
Not sure if this applies or not, but figured I would mention it…
If you think someone would like to join the list, you can share with them the list statement and tell them to email me and I will touch base with them and add them.
Best,
Gregg
From: tree of knowledge system discussion <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > On Behalf Of Lonny Meinecke
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 9:03 AM
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Subject: Re: Kinesiology
Hi Jamie,
Would you mind if I shared this post with my new wife Lisa? I know it's a closed group, but she really perked up when I mentioned it - you all are so cool! She's like a walking dictionary ;)
Thanks,
Lonny
Dr. Lonny Douglas Meinecke
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"Comparison is the thief of joy" (Theodore Roosevelt)
On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 7:48 PM Jamie D <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > wrote:
Some people in Kinesiology claim you can measure the "truth" of a statement by measuring the strength of your muscles when hearing it. No surprise there's a lot of controversy about this. This is a discussion about what manner of "true" might be the case.
I'm interested in finding out which permutation develops energy as not just a solution to depression, but perhaps achieving higher levels of "vibration" or inner freedom than recognized as normal.
I was meditating in Self-Enquiry recently, observing how various thoughts trigger various changes in the flow of energy within my body, and noticing how much of my thinking "sucks" or "denies" energy from my voluntary muscles (I wonder if that's how the term "suck" came to be). One can see how this connects to behavioral shutdown, depression, and low self-esteem.
Clearly the body will support some thoughts and actions and not others, and I believe this has everything to do with the most interesting stories and examples of human nature:
*how revenge is a bad idea,
*why some say those who believe the most will always win,
*how finding God and repentance provides new life,
*how talking to God or your self/subconscious/body in prayer causes subtle feelings of change that could emerge later into radically different behaviors.
I'm reminded to really check my intentions. I currently think that the energy behind a simple intention, say to win a game of poker, can be refracted into many other intentions based on how the poker game is played, and very little is premeditated. A person can set out to play the game, hoping to win, but in a manner that necessarily translates into other intentions and emotions like anger, humiliation, etc.
Joe Rogan talked about how terrible it is to lose a big fight. Why MUST that be the case? Is it not possible to invest just as much energy into winning, without caring if you lose, in order to live wisely?
And if I try to live that way, peers will often presume and impose such frames upon you, requiring some will of mind to resist the "curses".
Another question is: can the body be wrong? Can emotions be wrong? Can trauma cause someone to feel shame for having thoughts that go against abusers, or later, against genuine lies, that another might feel elated and victorious as solutions to their problems? The former type of person should be enraged at their peers for allowing them to be so duped! How is that made right?
Life imposes all sorts of conflicts where people have to decide if they are more deserving than another, and I don't think the answer is to put others before yourself every time with anyone. But is it to love yourself before all else?
Napolean once said, "I love nobody" and seems not to have been depressed much at all.
Anyway, the body/subconscious clearly decide what you actually believe, and while you can negotiate with them, they may require a certain logical coherence - maybe a kind of logic yet to be written.
I'd like to see the experiments on epistemic kinesiology (if that's even been coined). it fits with behavioral investment theory BIT, and the concept of body budget, and withdrawal.
I look forward to connecting the dots further.
--
-Jamie
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