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First Lego League in Virginia and DC <[log in to unmask]>
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Nari,

Certainly, not.  Any feature of the EV3 software is okay, and data logging
sounds like an excellent tool.

I disagree with the statement: "The implied and express prohibitions of the
past (Labview) have (unintentionally?) been swept away..."

If you only meant that there are now more easy-to-use functions in newer,
allowable software tools, then I misunderstood.

Steve


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Anant Narayanan <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Steve:
>
>
> Data Logging is part of the EV3 software yiu identified.  Are you saying
> we cannot use all parts of the baisc software?
>
> Nari
>
>
> *______________________________________*
> *Sent by*
> *Anant Narayanan*
> *McLean Robotics Institute*
> *[log in to unmask]*
> *+1.202.421.3826*
> *via AT&T from a Samsung Galaxy S3*
> *______________________________________*
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] eV3 Firmware Upgrade
>
>
> I disagree with Nari on the topic of allowable software.  LEGO has a
> product identified as "EV3 Software" (
> http://www.lego.com/en-us/mindstorms/downloads/software/ddsoftwaredownload),
> and the specific restrictions against add-on toolkits, such as the LabVIEW
> toolkit are still explicitly in the rules.
>
> Based on my personal and professional preferences, I happy to have young
> programmers experiment with
>  a variety of advanced programming tools and environments and to use the
> knowledge they gain from those experiments, but the tools that are allowed
> for FLL purposes are limited to the four graphics-based ones listed.
>
> Steve Scherr
> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Anant Narayanan <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> This illustrates how fuzzy the rule really has become.
>>
>> The new EV3 software has a unified interface to functions (e.g. data
>> logging) that were separate software silos in the previous generation (NXT
>> etc.).
>>
>> The implied and express prohibitions of the past (Labview) have
>> (unintentionally?) been swept away by words "or EV3 software (any release)".
>>
>> Data Logging is a great tool for understanding the sensors, e.g., plug in
>> a gyro sensor, turn on data logging and watch the data on screen.  I
>> recommend it to all teams.
>>
>> Best,
>> Nari Narayanan
>> *______________________________________*
>> *Sent by*
>> *Anant Narayanan*
>> *McLean Robotics Institute*
>> *[log in to unmask]*
>> *+1.202.421.3826*
>> *via AT&T from a Samsung Galaxy S3*
>> *______________________________________*
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Chris Taylor <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date:
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] eV3 Firmware Upgrade
>>
>>
>> Sorry if I confused anyone by using its big boy name... The Lego
>> Mindstorms software is a watered down version of labview as is evident by
>> the logo in the bottom left corner of splash screen when it starts and in
>> the about box.
>>
>> And this is why I don't help people... I'll go back to being silent.
>>
>> C
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 19:11, Bill Aucoin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> LabVIEW?  Not allowed in FLL.
>>
>> Rule 4
>>
>> SOFTWARE - The robot may only be programmed using LEGO MINDSTORMS,
>> RoboLab, NXT-G, or EV3  software (any release).  No other software is
>> allowed.  Patches, add-ons, and new versions of the allowable software from
>> the manufacturers (LEGO and National Instruments) are allowed, but tool
>> kits, including the LabVIEW tool kit, are not allowed.  This rule puts a
>> cap on software-related unfairness, and put a cap on what we can reasonably
>> ask tournament judges to become versed in - thanks for your understanding
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Chris Taylor <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I was trying the firmware update from inside labview last night and it
>> spawns browser to a page that redirects to a 404 error.
>> So, the "check now" button doesn't work.
>>
>> However, you can find the latest firmware (1.03h) in the support
>> downloads section, then apply through labview with no problems.
>>
>> C
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2013, at 17:15, Jeff Lavezzo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> We found the gyro very non-intuitive. We found a slide show row a coaches
>> call that showed how to use it with just a move block and not the turn
>> block. I don't have all the details with me but I could send them to you
>> later if you can't find it.
>>
>> -Jeff
>> Coach: Beavers, Inc.
>> On Oct 6, 2013 8:38 PM, "FLL Mind Storm Guardian's" <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> It is possible that the answer to my question is among the tremendous
>>> amount of data share in the spirit of collaboration among teams.   My team
>>> is in the process of programming the missions and the kids are having major
>>> difficulty using the gyro to make turns.   Turns expected to be 90 degrees
>>> stop at degrees approximately.   Any hints?
>>>
>>> In addition, I am having no success at all getting the firmware
>>> upgraded.  When the brick connects quickly informs me to upgrade and
>>> provide directions and when I follow the link it takes me to YAHOO.
>>>
>>> Carlos E
>>> Coach FLL Team 8501
>>> AKA - Mind Storm Guardians
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