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nevermind - just re-read your answer again.  We'll read and re-read the
rule and confer w/ the ref at the tournament.  If there is a chair or
table, that will also do.

-Frank


On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Frank Levine <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Thanks Steve,
>   So if I'm reading it right, there should be no problem if they want to
> store their attachments in the West Transfer area, provided that it has no
> strategic value (other than being out of the way and nearby).  If so, we'll
> practice it that way.
>
> Thanks,
> Frank Levine
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:49 PM, VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we include all items that the team has control of, including mission
>> Models in Safety, as being "allowable things" for purposes of R11.
>>
>> Most tournaments will try to have a small table or a chair available for
>> your team's use in storing items.  Teams can put a storage bin or box there.
>>
>> Scott Shumway is correct; items in the team's control and off the Field
>> should count as being in Safety during scoring.  But it's always clearest
>> when they are nearby.
>>
>> My reading of R11 would not allow putting items in the West Transfer Area
>> for storage, since that isn't "adjacent" to Safety.
>> (Actually, my reading of R11 is  pretty narrow, requiring that storing
>> something that "extend[s]" out of Safety means that it has to also be
>> partially in Safety, but I recognize that that is kind of a subtle point.)
>>
>> Also, in my years in FLL, we've never allowed a non-LEGO bin to be placed
>> on the Field during a match.  I think that most referees would require a
>> team to remove any Equipment from the bin and store the items
>> individually.  Using the bin for transport to the table is perfectly fine,
>> of course.
>>
>> Steve Scherr
>> Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Scott H. Shumway <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Our tournament tables had little folding tables next to them for storage
>>> of such things. While I agree the rules you reference appear to allow what
>>> you request, the "final" decision will be up to the head referee at your
>>> tournament.
>>>
>>> As for articles that come back, it would be best to keep them in safety
>>> or with the technicians. Putting them on the table outside of safety runs
>>> the risk of them. It being scored if a) you leave them there, b) the ref
>>> didn't see them enter safety with the robot, or c) the ref invoking R14
>>> Stranding and making it stay out of safety. In general the refs do an
>>> excellent job of paying attention and giving benefit of the doubt, but you
>>> should be allowed to remove those items from the table and keep them with
>>> the technicians. This is usually considered still "in safety" at the end of
>>> the match.
>>>
>>> Maybe not as warm fuzzy as you'd hoped for, but hopefully it helps!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shumway
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Frank Levine <[log in to unmask]
>>> <[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>   We are going through final rehearsals for our tournament tonight and a
>>> question came up.  We use a tupperware bin to hold all of our attachments
>>> during the match. The technicians would like to place that bin in the West
>>> Transfer area during the match so they can both be free to do their jobs.
>>> Assuming that we do not use the West Transfer area, is that allowed?  My
>>> reading of Rule R11 says that it is...
>>>
>>> *R11 – Workspace and Storage *
>>> ● ON THE FIELD: Handling and storage of allowable things may extend out
>>> of Safety, into adjacent irrelevant Field space only if specific actions
>>> and locations are completely non-strategic.
>>> ● OFF THE FIELD: Equipment and Models are not allowed on the floor.
>>>
>>>   Given the delicate choreography that they are rehearsing (both kids
>>> have specific actions to perform between missions) we would like to get a
>>> warm-fuzzy that this will not be a problem at the tournament.
>>>
>>> A followup that I have - As articles come back from missions (bars,
>>> compost, toys, etc) do they need to stay in safety, or do they fall under
>>> the "allowable things" definition of R11.  Obviously they have to be in
>>> safety at the end of the match, this is more about what they do with them
>>> during the actual match.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Frank Levine
>>>
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