I disagree with Nari on the topic of allowable software.  LEGO has a
product identified as "EV3 Software" (
http://www.lego.com/en-us/mindstorms/downloads/software/ddsoftwaredownload),
and the specific restrictions against add-on toolkits, such as the LabVIEW
toolkit are still explicitly in the rules.

Based on my personal and professional preferences, I happy to have young
programmers experiment with
 a variety of advanced programming tools and environments and to use the
knowledge they gain from those experiments, but the tools that are allowed
for FLL purposes are limited to the four graphics-based ones listed.

Steve Scherr
VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor


On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Anant Narayanan <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> This illustrates how fuzzy the rule really has become.
>
> The new EV3 software has a unified interface to functions (e.g. data
> logging) that were separate software silos in the previous generation (NXT
> etc.).
>
> The implied and express prohibitions of the past (Labview) have
> (unintentionally?) been swept away by words "or EV3 software (any release)".
>
> Data Logging is a great tool for understanding the sensors, e.g., plug in
> a gyro sensor, turn on data logging and watch the data on screen.  I
> recommend it to all teams.
>
> Best,
> Nari Narayanan
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>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Chris Taylor <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] eV3 Firmware Upgrade
>
>
> Sorry if I confused anyone by using its big boy name... The Lego
> Mindstorms software is a watered down version of labview as is evident by
> the logo in the bottom left corner of splash screen when it starts and in
> the about box.
>
> And this is why I don't help people... I'll go back to being silent.
>
> C
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2013, at 19:11, Bill Aucoin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> LabVIEW?  Not allowed in FLL.
>
> Rule 4
>
> SOFTWARE - The robot may only be programmed using LEGO MINDSTORMS,
> RoboLab, NXT-G, or EV3  software (any release).  No other software is
> allowed.  Patches, add-ons, and new versions of the allowable software from
> the manufacturers (LEGO and National Instruments) are allowed, but tool
> kits, including the LabVIEW tool kit, are not allowed.  This rule puts a
> cap on software-related unfairness, and put a cap on what we can reasonably
> ask tournament judges to become versed in - thanks for your understanding
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 7, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Chris Taylor <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> I was trying the firmware update from inside labview last night and it
> spawns browser to a page that redirects to a 404 error.
> So, the "check now" button doesn't work.
>
> However, you can find the latest firmware (1.03h) in the support downloads
> section, then apply through labview with no problems.
>
> C
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2013, at 17:15, Jeff Lavezzo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> We found the gyro very non-intuitive. We found a slide show row a coaches
> call that showed how to use it with just a move block and not the turn
> block. I don't have all the details with me but I could send them to you
> later if you can't find it.
>
> -Jeff
> Coach: Beavers, Inc.
> On Oct 6, 2013 8:38 PM, "FLL Mind Storm Guardian's" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> It is possible that the answer to my question is among the tremendous
>> amount of data share in the spirit of collaboration among teams.   My team
>> is in the process of programming the missions and the kids are having major
>> difficulty using the gyro to make turns.   Turns expected to be 90 degrees
>> stop at degrees approximately.   Any hints?
>>
>> In addition, I am having no success at all getting the firmware
>> upgraded.  When the brick connects quickly informs me to upgrade and
>> provide directions and when I follow the link it takes me to YAHOO.
>>
>> Carlos E
>> Coach FLL Team 8501
>> AKA - Mind Storm Guardians
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