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We are a week away and our battery died. We don't have funds to replace and we are missing the back to hold the aa batteries in. Is it ok to tape them in on the back or will that be considered tampering or something? Not the best solution but not sure what other options I have. 

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> On Nov 9, 2013, at 12:03 AM, "VADCFLL-L automatic digest system" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> There are 4 messages totalling 281 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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>  1. Robot Game & Core Values questions (2)
>  2. Robot leaves the base at 2 minutes and 29 seconds... (2)
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> Date:    Fri, 8 Nov 2013 19:38:58 -0500
> From:    Chris Bolster <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Robot Game & Core Values questions
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I have a follow up question regarding point 3.  Is there a place in the
> rules we can refer to that allows for the truck reload request?
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Chris
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> Date:    Fri, 8 Nov 2013 21:40:15 -0500
> From:    VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Robot Game & Core Values questions
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> Rule 19, Quality Control, allows the team to ask the referee to check the
> setup and confirm that mission models are in the proper place and locked
> down (when appropriate).
> 
> -- During your pre-match setup time only, you may ask the ref to
> double-check that a particular setup is correct/within spec, but you may
> not request any custom setup, in or out of the specified setup range.
> 
> All teams are encouraged to inspect the field when they arrive at the
> table, and to point out anything that looks funny to the referee.
> 
> I don't recommend that teams ask the referees to check every model each
> time they come to the table.  That presumes that the referees aren't doing
> their job maintaining the table, and it gets tedious, and it uses up all
> the team's setup time (or more!)  But definitely ask the referee to
> double-check the models that you know your robot has trouble with.  (And
> the first team of the day in the Practice round might want to be extra
> vigilant!)
> 
> If the water bottle is close to the end of the truck, it's okay to say, "I
> know that we cannot request a custom setup, but we are concerned that the
> water bottle might roll out of the truck.  Would you check that all items
> are safely within the truck, and that the sides are on tightly?"  Most
> referees will pick up the truck to look at it and set it down again, likely
> with items safely contained in the bed of the truck.  (The Variability
> rule, Rule 42, may still come into play with any match setup, of course.)
> 
> Steve Scherr
> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Chris Bolster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Steve,
>> 
>> I have a follow up question regarding point 3.  Is there a place in the
>> rules we can refer to that allows for the truck reload request?
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> 
>> Chris
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> <div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>Rule 19, Quality Control, allows the team t=
> o ask the referee to check the setup and confirm that mission models are in=
> the proper place and locked down (when appropriate).<br><br>-- During your=
> pre-match setup time only, you may ask the ref to double-check that a part=
> icular setup is correct/within spec, but you may not request any custom set=
> up, in or out of the specified setup range.<br>
> <br></div>All teams are encouraged to inspect the field when they arrive at=
> the table, and to point out anything that looks funny to the referee.<br><=
> br></div>I don&#39;t recommend that teams ask the referees to check every m=
> odel each time they come to the table.=A0 That presumes that the referees a=
> ren&#39;t doing their job maintaining the table, and it gets tedious, and i=
> t uses up all the team&#39;s setup time (or more!)=A0 But definitely ask th=
> e referee to double-check the models that you know your robot has trouble w=
> ith.=A0 (And the first team of the day in the Practice round might want to =
> be extra vigilant!)<br>
> <br></div>If the water bottle is close to the end of the truck, it&#39;s ok=
> ay to say, &quot;I know that we cannot request a custom setup, but we are c=
> oncerned that the water bottle might roll out of the truck.=A0 Would you ch=
> eck that all items are safely within the truck, and that the sides are on t=
> ightly?&quot;=A0 Most referees will pick up the truck to look at it and set=
> it down again, likely with items safely contained in the bed of the truck.=
> =A0 (The Variability rule, Rule 42, may still come into play with any match=
> setup, of course.)<br>
> <br>Steve Scherr<br>VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor<br><div><div><div><br><br><br=
>> </div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"g=
> mail_quote">On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Chris Bolster <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">christop_b@y=
> ahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
> x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Steve,<br>
> <br>
> I have a follow up question regarding point 3. =A0Is there a place in the<b=
> r>
> rules we can refer to that allows for the truck reload request?<br>
> <br>
> Best Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Chris<br>
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> Date:    Fri, 8 Nov 2013 23:01:56 -0500
> From:    Ramesh Subbanna <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Robot leaves the base at 2 minutes and 29 seconds...
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> Possibly last Question,
> 
> If the robot leaves the base at 2 minutes and 29 seconds and completes a
> mission at about 2 minutes and 40 seconds ( I mean it completes a mission
> after the time is up ), is the score valid ?
> 
> Thanks,
> -RAMESH
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> <div dir="ltr">Possibly last Question,<div><br></div><div>If the robot leaves the base at 2 minutes and 29 seconds and completes a mission at about 2 minutes and 40 seconds ( I mean it completes a mission after the time is up ), is the score valid ?</div>
> <div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-RAMESH</div></div>
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> Date:    Fri, 8 Nov 2013 23:18:45 -0500
> From:    VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Robot leaves the base at 2 minutes and 29 seconds...
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> No.  There are no points for anything that occurs after the 2:30 mark.
> 
> Rule 39, Match-End Scoring
> 
>   - Unless a specific method for producing a scoring condition is
>   required, your score comes from the conditions at the exact time the match
>   ends only.
>   - Points are not given nor taken away for results produced after the
>   match end signal ends.
> 
> 
> The referee will probably stop the robot before it can make any changes to
> the field after 2 minutes, 30 seconds, anyway.
> 
> Steve Scherr
> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Ramesh Subbanna
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
> 
>> Possibly last Question,
>> 
>> If the robot leaves the base at 2 minutes and 29 seconds and completes a
>> mission at about 2 minutes and 40 seconds ( I mean it completes a mission
>> after the time is up ), is the score valid ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -RAMESH
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> <div dir=3D"ltr">No. =A0There are no points for anything that occurs after =
> the 2:30 mark. =A0<div><br></div><div>Rule 39, Match-End Scoring</div><div>
>    =09
> =09
> =09
>        <div class=3D"" title=3D"Page 25">
>            <div class=3D"">
>                <div class=3D"">
>                    <ul>
>                        <li>
>                            Unless a specific method for producing a scoring condition is requir=
> ed, your score comes from the conditions at the exact time the match ends o=
> nly.</li><li>Points are not given nor taken away for results produced after=
> the match end signal ends.<br>
> 
>                        </li>
>                    </ul><div><br></div><div>The referee will probably stop the robot befo=
> re it can make any changes to the field after 2 minutes, 30 seconds, anyway=
> .<br></div><div><br></div><div>Steve Scherr</div><div>VA/DC FLL Referee Adv=
> isor</div>
> <div><br></div>
>                </div>
>            </div>
>        </div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Ramesh Subbanna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" target=3D"_blank">ramesh.subbanna=
> @gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
> left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
> adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Possibly last Question,<div><br></div><di=
> v>
> If the robot leaves the base at 2 minutes and 29 seconds and completes a mi=
> ssion at about 2 minutes and 40 seconds ( I mean it completes a mission aft=
> er the time is up ), is the score valid ?</div>
> <div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-RAMESH</div></div>
> </blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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