In my view, only the naked eye can do this job -- sensors will prove
unreliable because the entire white frame (the metaphorical "search
screen") has to be scanned to determine whether one or two colors "appear"
in the window (in addition to other method constraints).  The loop to be
removed follows this scanning.

I would recommend that teams attempting this mission be prepared to get an
instant judgment from the referee in attendance as to which color slabs are
in the window before attempting loop removal.  Even more important, tell
the ref before the start of the match that you may ask for an instantaneous
call -- I wouldn't want anyone to be penalized from an end-of-match
difference between the team and ref as to whether one or both slabs
are/were visible in the window.  A referee who knows what the team may ask
of him may be better prepared to respond/answer.

Finally, putting in some time between the slider push and the loop yank
gives more time to get this ref feedback.

Don't forget Benefit of the Doubt (Rule 3) in close calls.  This is for the
team, not the coach, though it's perfectly legal to burst into the strains
of Auld Lang Syne if that is your team signal :-)  Just kidding!

Good luck.

Nari Narayanan



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On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Parvathy Krishnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi,
> Between two robot runs, does the robot need to be completely inside the
> base before the players can pick it up for re-positioning?
>
> Also, picking up the correct loop from search engine needs to be
> accomplished with a sensor, right? I.e the players cannot use their eyes to
> determine the color and then accordingly kick off the required program.
>
> Thanks
> Parvathy
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 27, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Fredrik Nyman <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, it absolutely could.
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:50 PM, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Couldn't a basket / box actually be the Apprenticeship Model?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lloyd O'Hara
>>
>>
>> On 10/27/14, Fredrik Nyman<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, note rule update 30: it has to touch the inside (area) of the circle.
>>
>> If you want to have a basket, I think you need to make the basket (or
>> rather, whatever the robot needs to lift the model) part of the
>> Apprenticeship model.
>>
>> While the Apprenticeship model isn't subject to a junk penalty (rule
>> update 7), a basket used for carrying the model is a strategic object (rule
>> 14), and as such, subject to a junk penalty (rule 32) if left outside base
>> when the match ends.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Sravanthi Davuluri <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Our team may want to build a basket to carry "Apprenticeship" model from
>>> Base and leave them both in the destination area. I think this is fine as
>>> long as "a portion" of the model (still in the basket) visibly touches the
>>> circular area on the mat directly. Does that sound accurate? Can someone
>>> please confirm?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
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