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First Lego League in Virginia and DC <[log in to unmask]>
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Sorry but I'm going to pick a little at this response. I'm coming from the
standpoint of a current robot design / engineering judge (this will be my
third year) and a current year coach.  
 
There is a fine line and sometimes not so fine line between gracious
professionalism and the wrong kind of help.
 
1) "Would you also be upset if I lent a fresh battery to the team that
ultimately wins the competition?"  
 
Battery replacements don't require critical thinking, learning, innovations
and solutions.  
 
2) "How about if I have a student mentor who has done FLL before and helps
us with robot design and programming? "
 
If during judging a team indicates significant help from a non-team member,
mentor, parent, coach for robot design and or programming, we mark them DOWN
in points. Its one thing to teach the members how to program and design
concepts (like center of gravity, accuracy, precision, ....) and it's
another to actually apply that with the current missions. So having a mentor
help directly is not appropriate.  
 
While I don't have the rubric in front of me there is a section where adult
help is noted as a negative factor. I count alumni help as adult help.
 
3) In terms of Jin's offer. If the designs and programs are solving this
year's missions I think that would not be appropriate. If his help is in
more general terms or prior year's missions, then bring it on.  
 
I will be requesting the DVD but I doubt I'll even have time to look at it
before tournament. So for next spring it will be a great resource for my
team.

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Eric F. Palmer
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FLL 2009 Team 956 Coach - The Golden Bricks
FLL 2006 NanoBytes Coach
2007, 2008, 2009 FRC Robot Inspector
2007, 2008, 2009 FLL Robot Engineering Judge
2010 FRC VCU - Co-Lead Robot Inspector
2008 - FTC Field Controller
2009 FTC - Assistant Technical Director
 


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From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dash Family
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:52 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL
robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to
Sundays 11/01



Wow - Lisa

 

I thought the point of FLL was gracious professionalism.  Would you also be
upset if I lent a fresh battery to the team that ultimately wins the
competition?  How about if I have a student mentor who has done FLL before
and helps us with robot design and programming?  

 

We are all in this together, we all struggle. Congratulations that your team
can struggle and figure out problems on their own. They are learning a ton
that way.  To whine that others may be getting the same information your
team figured out themselves is a little stunning.

 

Jin has helped me focus my rookie team of 9 - 10 year olds on what is
important, and some methods to achieve that goal - just like real engineers
do. He has not told us how to build a the robot or how to do any single
mission in this challenge.  He has given us examples of what worked in the
past that we can experiment with and adapt to our current needs.  I am
grateful to Jin and his gracious professionalism.  He has made our first FLL
experience much better than it was before we met him.

 

Danielle Dash

1898

 

 

From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lisa Savage
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 09:42
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL
robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to
Sundays 11/01

 

Jin,

 

  This is all great information that you are giving out but I think you
should be doing this during the "off-season".  It is very disheartening as a
coach to see my team struggle to figure out a solution and the next week see
you offer that solution to whoever wants to take it.

 

Lisa Savage

Team 0697

 

From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jin Ye
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:25 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL
robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to
Sundays 11/01

 


Oops.

 

My mailing (home) address is

 

Jin Ye

4520 Willet Drive, Annandale, VA 22003

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Michael Blanpied <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


From: Michael Blanpied <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL
robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to
Sundays 11/01
To: "Jin Ye" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 9:23 AM

Dear Jin,

 

Sounds like a great collection of information!

 

What is your mailing address?

 

Thanks,

Mike

 

Dear VADCFLLers:

 

I have a FLL INFO DVD for the attendees of the workshop, including in

 

1 - Robot designs examples and mission programs of the previous challenges
from the teams hat I have coached or mentored, and from the material
geruosly provided by "Configurators" - our Virginia's own BEST team ever in
my opinion.

2 - Other NXT robots building instruction which can be an excellent initial
study/example models for FLL robots, mostly from Internet

3 - Showcase FLL Challenge robot game performance video from some national
and international renown teams and from our award-winning Virginia teams
(Team Configurators, Team Tiki, Team Robot Activators, Team MaJJEECKS, Team
SMALL, Team Sea Monsters, and Team Mission Plausible)

4 - In-depth Discussions on various FLL Challenge related topics from
previous years FLL Forums

5 - A "Video on 2007 Rules" including many illustrations of the previous
missions.

 

I'm making it available to VADCFLL list. If you mail me a self-addressed and
pre-stamped enverlope, I'll do my best to send it to you ASAP - don't worry
about the cost of the DVD media and please please dont' send cash with the
enverlope.

 

Jin

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Debbie Harris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


From: Debbie Harris <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL
robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to
Sundays 11/01
To: "Jin Ye" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 12:11 AM

I am in Botetourt County.  Would you consider creating a video of one of
your workshops and making it available to teams not in your area?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jin Ye <[log in to unmask]
<[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">http:[log in to unmask]> >
wrote:

Dear FLLers:

I, a WOULD-BE of FLL "mentor-on-the-run" offer the NVA local teams a
"home-service-call": a free 2 hour FLL robot design / programming clinic at
your place between Friday, 10/16 to Sundays 11/01 (only evenings at the
weekends).

 

The "NVA local teams" is defined as

1 - Any teams based at home within 20-mile radius to zip-codes 20151 (my
work place in Chantilly) or 22003 (my home in Annandale)

2 - Any teams based at school within 35-mile radius to the same zip-codes
indicated above.

 

Of cause, As always I do this on totally volunteer-basis. Actually I am
quite busy at work to bring up an information database system to comply a
DOD security standard / requirement. Therefore, any personal time-off should
be planned ahead.

 

If your team wants me to come at weekday daytime, you have to let me know
ASAP.

 

What I will offer to you at the clinic -

 

Simply put, if currently your team expects to score 150 to 200 points at the
robot game, you may gain 50 to 100 more points if you implement the robot
design / programming tips that I will go through at the clinic. And the
teams will enjoy a lot more in this Challenge because they will feel that
THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE ROBOT TO PLAY THE GAME!

 

Certainly the meeting will be interactive - I strongly encourage and welcome
your questions at the clinic.

 

I prefer to work with team's builders and programmers only (plus coaches /
mentors) so the meeting can be more effective.

 

I'll have some 2009 game mission execution demos used for explain the tips.
The original NXT mission script is from Liam Bishop and his teammates of FLL
2009 Team 8404. The robot that I'll use for the demo is from award-winning
FLL 2007 Team 945, built by Jason Ye and his teammates.

 

I cannot reveal the awesome secret of Team 8404's robot. But I can't help to
tell you the robot carries a "missile".

 

If you are interested in the offer, please reply back to me only (not to the
list). The deadline is Saturday, 10/17. If the number of teams that asked me
is more than that I can service during the period, I'll give priority to the
school teams first, and then the teams with the majority of the kids who
never did the FLL challengers before, and so on.

 

 

 

Jin Ye

 

 

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