Steve needs to read the mission once again.  It specifically says "they must 
not be touching the mat outside that model"



 
Study Wildlife
Move the polar bear and/or the snowmobile to the research area. To score, 
they must be making direct contact with
the research area model and/or the mat within that model, but they must not 
be touching the mat outside that model.
The scoring bear is worth 15 points upright, or 10 points “sleeping” (on 
its side), and the scoring snowmobile is worth
10 points.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Scherr <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:46:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Fw: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of researchers while 
delivery


J. Baker is mistaken.  First, "touching" means that some part of the model 
is touching the mat in 
the scoring area.  The mission does not state that the model must be 
"completely" inside the area, 
so some part of the model can be touching the scoring area, and some part 
can be outside the 
area, and it would still be a successful mission.

Second, as Phil Smith III noted earlier, field damage to the mission models 
has to be pretty severe 
and clearly due to some robot action, like a crashing impact,  to be 
attributed to the robot.  If a 
hat, ski, arm, or a ski pole falls off during a round, it would probably be 
considered model failure, 
and be something not able to be repaired during the match.  The team could 
ask for the pieces to 
be removed from the field as stray objects.

Although it does not apply during this year's game, even if the mission had 
required that the 
model be completely inside the research area, and a ski had fallen off and 
was not in the area, I 
would expect the detaching of the ski to be ruled as model damage, and that 
the team could still 
earn points for the mission.


On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:58:39 -0400, J. Baker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I would think both pieces would have to make it to the research area.
>Otherwise the model would be touching the mat outside the research area.
>Especially since the robot is not allowed to "break mission models" and if
>the points count as a result of "field damage" it only seems to me it
>wouldn't count due to field damage.
>
>
>
>Field Damage
>
>. The robot is not allowed to break mission models or separate Dual Lock.
>
>. If a mission model breaks, malfunctions, moves, or is activated by
>anything other than allowable action, the
>
>ref reverses the change as soon as possible (if possible).
>
>. Field damage too severe to reverse is left as is and could fall under the
>Stray Objects rule.
>
>. If points are earned along with field damage that occurs due to faulty
>model design, construction, or setup,
>
>you keep those points.
>
>. Field damage that obviously occurs because of the team or robot, whether
>intentional or not, draws a
>
>warning. Repeats could make associated missions worthless.
>
>
>
>Study Wildlife
>
>Move the polar bear and/or the snowmobile to the research area. To score,
>they must be making direct contact with
>
>the research area model and/or the mat within that model, but they must not
>be touching the mat outside that model.
>
>The scoring bear is worth 15 points upright, or 10 points "sleeping" (on 
its
>side), and the scoring snowmobile is worth
>
>10 points
>
>
>
>
>
>  _____
>
>From: First Lego League Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
On
>Behalf Of Greg Robertson
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:45 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Fw: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of researchers while
>delivery
>
>
>I think the people would be fine because they just have to be touching.
>I don't know about the snow mobile, or also the ice bouy, because they say
>touching only the research area, I would think there should be some
>exception but I havn't seen anything.
>
>Greg
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Deepak Patil <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:53 AM
>Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of researchers while delivery
>
>Hello,
>
>While delivering researchers (lego mini-figs) to their destination,
>sometimes their parts fall off (skis/caps, etc.)
>If that happens during tournament are any points taken off?
>
>Also similarly the snow-mobile looses it's parts, so if it's skis fall off
>but rest of the snoe-mobile is delviered is
>it considered scored?
>
>Luckily the polar bear's head stays on it's shoulders :-)
>
>any insight will be appreciated.
>
>- Deepak Patil
>
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