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Mark,

I don't think this is the intent of the rule - but I am not a lawyer.

If the robot does something (like collect the carbon balls) and gets stuck or stops on the field - if the robot is touched and returned to base - those things it had already collected are removed from play and the team gets a penalty.

If the insulation blocks are in contact with the mat and were simply pushed out - then the robot stops and is retrieved by hand - there should be a penalty but the yellow blocks would remain on the table.

From: First Lego League Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark FLL Allen
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:27 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] active touch rule

See the answers as I understand the rules below.  One other scenario:

Robot delivers insulation to scoring area but the robot is touched while still in contact.  As I understand it there are actually two answers;

1) Robot contacted the object on the field and moved it to the scoring area.  The object(s) are removed by the ref and are out of play.
2) Robot previously brought those objects back to base.  If so, those objects are returned to base.

Does every one agree?

Best regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: David Levy <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] active touch rule
Maybe some example scenarios would be appropriate -

In the "testing the levees challenge" , robot has moved only partially out of base - robot is touched when:

1) still not yet reached the challenge model (penalty ?)  - No penalty.
2) challenge model has been activated , and other end of robot is sitting on the challenge model's activation bar ( penalty ?) No Penalty
3) challenge model has been activated, robot has moved off challenge model's activation bar and 'heading' back ( legal ?) No penalty

In other missions where the robot has completely left base performed a mission and is returning to base - robot is touched when:
4) robot is completely in base but still rolling ( legal )  Yes - legal
5) robot is partially in base but still rolling ( legal ) Yes - legal
6) robot is partially in base but it is bringing back a scoring object that is on a section of the robot that has not crossed over the home base line. (penalty?)  No penalty but the "retrievable" is removed from the table by the ref and is out of play.

thanks
David

Darlene Pantaleo wrote:
> Normally you can touch the robot while in base, but if you do it while > it is performing a mission, then the mission will not count. The new > rules allow for performing a mission without leaving the base. Sorry > for the confusion.
> Darlene Pantaleo
> Judge Advisor
> Maggie Walker
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 13, 2008, at 2:52 AM, Michael Blanpied wrote:
>
>> Dear Darlene,
>>
>>> The effect of the new rules is on what the robot can do while in >>> base. It does not effect a team's touching the robot except that a >>> mission will not count if done from base (such as the "test the >>> levees" challenge).
>>
>> I'm afraid I don't understand what that last phrase means. Under what >> circumstance would a mission not count? Thanks for clarifying.
>>
>> -- >> Cheers,
>> Mike Blanpied
>> Reston, VA
>> 2006 Nano People #4809
>> 2007 Power Bunnies #1666
>> 2008 BLT - Brilliant Lego Team #5013
>
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