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First Lego League in Virginia and DC <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:40:55 -0500
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Hi Deborah!

Downgrading can be problematic. But it is possible. Officially from Lego,
this seems to be the only way:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://spikelegacy.legoeducation.com/hubdowngrade/*step-1__;Iw!!N6YHze6lT7thMl0!Lsw3Z5SgY1W1_9QVGaVRAkpOsizCrsomxX2UwhUXbYdqdMIRfPkqKYON_A7XHHrSkr69t0CeBeP3CkvW0oiuD_ZheDexYu1l7vov$ 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://spikelegacy.legoeducation.com/hubdowngrade/*step-1__;Iw!!N6YHze6lT7thMl0!OPyEHT6gPedcM3wlu-cohtNv5-5zo_UlI5Z5uR0iONgkwJEueIeg_Fdds7K7H3FJVqY_hM2hubRN6NLKS2weyw$>

Requires a computer with Chrome OS, or a Mac with a Chrome browser.

I also found this:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dfu.pybricks.com/__;!!N6YHze6lT7thMl0!Lsw3Z5SgY1W1_9QVGaVRAkpOsizCrsomxX2UwhUXbYdqdMIRfPkqKYON_A7XHHrSkr69t0CeBeP3CkvW0oiuD_ZheDexYgm6qQfW$ 
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dfu.pybricks.com/__;!!N6YHze6lT7thMl0!OPyEHT6gPedcM3wlu-cohtNv5-5zo_UlI5Z5uR0iONgkwJEueIeg_Fdds7K7H3FJVqY_hM2hubRN6NKgrLilGg$>

But I am not sure it will work because pybricks is a specific OS outside of
Lego's official OS. I think it will work, but I am not sure. Be careful.

I have not heard of any updates in the last week. Sorry!

I hope this helps.
Skip

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 5:45 PM Deborah Heyward <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Thanks for this note!  We had updated before this was sent out and
> couldn’t figure out why things were not working.
>
> We have not been able to revert the firmware to the previous version that
> was used for the original Spike app.
>
> I’m curious if anyone knows how to revert back?  Or if there have been any
> updates on the newer app?
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 2:50 PM Skip Morrow <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> *CAUTION: *This email originated from outside of JMU. Do not click links
>> or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is
>> safe.
>> ------------------------------
>> VA DC FLL Teams,
>> Have you had a problem with your Spike Prime Gyro? Probably you were
>> trying to do a gyro turn, and the robot just kept spinning and spinning? I
>> have heard it from several teams and online, so it is a problem that is
>> somewhat widely known.
>>
>> I did some troubleshooting and found that if you hold the robot while it
>> is booting up, almost certainly your gyro will not work. However, if you
>> set the robot down for at least five seconds or so, it usually fixes
>> itself. Here's a video I took of the problem:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdX1fRHu_nQ__;!!N6YHze6lT7thMl0!Lsw3Z5SgY1W1_9QVGaVRAkpOsizCrsomxX2UwhUXbYdqdMIRfPkqKYON_A7XHHrSkr69t0CeBeP3CkvW0oiuD_ZheDexYlFBszjp$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdX1fRHu_nQ__;!!N6YHze6lT7thMl0!OmMud02-6Py74xBxOmQnzieK3N7yOE2Rpygm3EqvO3FiziLSTKKT7_-m36LxIKmdFRTpNdbDAvlzLNc-ZyFIrHK9Dr3mfNRAp5Hk$>
>>
>> At the beginning, I mention a previous video, which doesn't have much to
>> add, but if you want to see it, here's the link:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwnMR-q4M3Q__;!!N6YHze6lT7thMl0!Lsw3Z5SgY1W1_9QVGaVRAkpOsizCrsomxX2UwhUXbYdqdMIRfPkqKYON_A7XHHrSkr69t0CeBeP3CkvW0oiuD_ZheDexYjuRDfAd$ 
>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwnMR-q4M3Q__;!!N6YHze6lT7thMl0!OmMud02-6Py74xBxOmQnzieK3N7yOE2Rpygm3EqvO3FiziLSTKKT7_-m36LxIKmdFRTpNdbDAvlzLNc-ZyFIrHK9Dr3mfN-K0qS8$>
>>
>> I have notified Lego technical support, and they have been super helpful!
>> I'd like to share the email exchange here
>>
>> *From Lego to me:*
>>
>> Hi Skip,
>>
>> Thanks for the video and the steps leading to the gyroscope issue when
>> running downloaded code!
>>
>> Here's an update of where we are in the investigation. We've been able to
>> reproduce this issue with word block coding consistently on multiple robots
>> with SPIKE Legacy firmware (HubOS 4.0.0.7).
>>
>> When following the steps previously outlined, the gyroscope data does not
>> update. Hub yaw/pitch/roll data is stuck at 0.
>>
>> For now, the workaround is what you've pointed out in the video. Add a
>> wait block right after the initial program start block. A minimum of 2
>> second wait is needed.
>>
>> We are in the process of testing with Python and I suspect the results
>> will be similar to what you've already found.
>>
>> Also, interestingly, this issue is not reproducible with SPIKE App 3
>> firmware (HubOS 1.2.10).
>>
>> Have a bricktastic day!
>>
>>
>> *My Reply:*
>> That is Awesome! I am glad that you were able to recreate the problem. By
>> the way, you can also mitigate the problem by just letting the robot sit
>> still for a couple of seconds before running the program. You don't have to
>> do it with a wait block/command.
>>
>> I am a little confused with the version numbers. You mentioned HubOS
>> 4.0.0.7, which is what I have on my hub, and that is obviously where we are
>> having the issues. But then you mentioned Spike App 3 and HubOS 1.2.10. I
>> thought Spike App 3 was the newest version??? But the HubOS 1.2.10 was a
>> lower number than what I have now??? Are you saying that I should upgrade
>> to Spike App 3? Or downgrade my HubOS to 1.2.10? Sorry for the confusion!
>>
>>
>> *Their final reply:*
>>
>> Good to know about just letting the hub wait/sit still for a few seconds
>> before starting the program.
>>
>> Also, I'm happy to clear up any confusion with firmware numbers. Yes,
>> SPIKE App 3 has a lower number! It's because SPIKE App 3 has a complete
>> rework of the firmware. So the versioning started a new. You can think of
>> SPIKE Legacy and SPIKE App 3 firmware as two separate tracks.
>>
>>
>> As for upgrading to SPIKE App 3, for FLL teams, we recommend holding
>> off for now because:
>>
>> (1) No auto-conversion of SPIKE Legacy projects
>>
>> So right now SPIKE Legacy projects are not compatible with SPIKE App 3
>> and vice-versa. Our SPIKE app team is working on a converter for an
>> upcoming update in the Spring.
>>
>> (2) No Python
>>
>> A new Python API for SPIKE App 3 is being worked on. So it's not yet
>> ready for SPIKE App 3. It will be part of a future update.
>>
>>
>> *Final thoughts:*
>>
>> If you are having problems with your gyro, perhaps wait until Spring when
>> the new software will be released. If you really need your robots right
>> now, then absolutely be sure to boot the robot in a very stable place. Or
>> be sure to let it sit steady for a few seconds after booting.
>>
>> Also, do not update your robot to Spike App 3.x until further notice.
>>
>> Anyway, I thought this would be helpful to some teams.
>>
>> And have a Bricktastic Day!
>>
>> Skip Morrow
>>
>> Coach 24277
>>
>> Norfolk Collegiate O.A.K.S.
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