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The Chantilly tournament used the checklists, I found them very useful
to share with the kids.  Information provided was clear, and I imagine
quick for the judges as it's mostly just a checklist of observed
behaviors.  Most judges also put a comment or two at the bottom.  I find
this much more helpful than actual scores.

Thanks to the person who designed these!

Martha Cosgrove
The Capital Girls


Martha Cosgrove
3 GT
Oak Hill Elementary School

-----Original Message-----
From: First Lego League Discussion
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Tournament Scoring

Nope, the checklists were the work of a coach, actually, who did the
first one on spec. I think they were great, and hope to use them
state-wide!
--
Phil Smith III
Virginia State Judge Advisor, 2007, 2008 Judge Advisor, Northern
Virginia Regional tournaments, 2006 Division 1 Judge Advisor, Virginia
State tournament, 2006

Coach, The Capital Girls, Oak Hill (retired) Team 1900 (2002) Team 2497
(2003) Team 2355 (2004) Team 1945 (2005) 

-----Original Message-----
From: First Lego League Discussion
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael Blanpied
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:17 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Tournament Scoring

At 11:45 PM -0500 11/23/08, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>...with absolutely no feedback on the three non-table aspects of FIRST,

>how is a team to have any idea how they performed?
>... the effectiveness of any test or competition is to have information

>whereby you can measure yourself.
>
>As it stands now, having experienced two Regionals and one State 
>competition, our team is clueless as to how the judges evaluated our 
>other three presentations.  A simple check sheet based on the Rubics 
>(without a numerical score) would be most helpful.


At the Sterling tournaments, the judges did, in fact, complete an
extensive and detailed one-page check-list of pros and cons. I don't
have those sheets in front of me, but I recall perhaps 20-25 check-boxes
under both the pro and con categories, organized by Rubric area. There
was also a space at the bottom for written comments. The coaches were
handed those sheets at the same time the kids were receiving their
participation ribbons, leaving it up to us when to review the notes and
in what way to share them with the kids.

This was far more, and more detailed, feedback than we'd received in
previous years (those times there'd been a quarter-sheet form with only
a few broad-category check-boxes), and we are grateful to those who
composed the forms (was that you, Phil Smith?) and to the judges for
making good use of them. Larry, perhaps you could work with your
regional organizers to introduce such a practice next year.

--
Cheers,
Mike Blanpied
Reston, VA
2006 #4809 Nano People
2007 #1666 Power Bunnies
2008 #5013 BLT--Brilliant LEGO Team

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