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VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
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VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:46:19 -0400
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Zack,

Since the scoring conditions in the Missions do not say anything like
"the flower must be on the table, or the flower must always stay on
the table", the answer is No--the position of the flower does not
affect the scoring for the groceries.

Steve Scherr
VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor

P.S. To be exact, if your robot puts the flower in the sink, then it
could affect the scoring of the bacteria in the sink, but that's the
only way it could matter


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Zack Sheikh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> if we the robot knocks the flower off the table while delivering the
> groceries, does that affect the scoring?
>
> zack
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 12:27 PM, VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>>
>> Well, I received some very specific setup instructions from Scott Evans:
>>
>> "The flower's location and orientation are given consistently in every
>> available picture ... it is the case that the centerpiece does need to
>> be centered on the table, with its base clocked 45 degrees."
>>
>> If I zoom in on the large picture of the Practice Field in the Field
>> Setup instructions, I can make out the orientation of the
>> centerpiece's base, as described.
>>
>> Of course, by Rule 28, the text quoted above is not official.
>> Nevertheless, based on the pictures in the Field Setup, the official
>> setup position for the centerpiece is in the middle of the table, and
>> it is quite appropriate for teams to check the location of the
>> centerpiece, and for the referee to adjust it as needed.
>>
>> Thanks to Vienna Robotics for bringing this up!
>>
>>
>> I think that Charlie's questions weren't intended for me, so I'll just
>> comment that "Robot game text means exactly and only what it says."
>>
>> Steve Scherr
>> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Charles Aldridge <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> > "Hidden Freedoms" are a part of every FLL challenge so I wonder if this
>> > is
>> > an opportunity.  What text should be considered besides the scoring
>> > condition?  It states "the flower centerpiece can be there too".  It
>> > doesn't
>> > say "must be there."  Steve noted that the referee will not adjust the
>> > field
>> > set up prior to a match to a position requested by the team.  After the
>> > match begins, what constrains a team from removing the flower from the
>> > table?
>> >
>> > ~Charlie Aldridge
>> >
>> > MISSION: GROCERIES - Here's your chance to buy undamaged goods, as fresh
>> > as
>> > possible, with the fewest ingredients possible, from trustable places,
>> > and
>> > get your cold stuff home and put away as soon as possible!
>> >
>> > SCORING CONDITION(S): EACH grocery unit is worth 2 POINTS if the table
>> > is
>> > supporting all of its weight, and no weight other than grocery units
>> > (the
>> > flower centerpiece can be there too).
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "VA/DC Referee Advisor"
>> > <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:00 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Position of flower on dinner table
>> >
>> >
>> >> Andy,
>> >>  I'll have to stall on the question of whether the position of the
>> >> flower centerpiece is specifically the middle of the table, while I
>> >> send off a question.
>> >>
>> >>  The response to the second question depends on the first--if the
>> >> center of the table is the "official setup position", then the referee
>> >> should move the centerpiece there if the team notices that it isn't
>> >> there.  If not, the referee shouldn't move the centerpiece to a
>> >> specific location in response to a team request.
>> >>
>> >>  I do know, from unofficial channels, that the centerpiece serves a
>> >> dual function--to look pretty and to get in the way, so I am uncertain
>> >> about how much weight to give to the specific location in the picture.
>> >> Typically, pictures indicate general locations and layout, and
>> >> wording and mat marks show specific locations (e.g. the Field Setup
>> >> would have said "The flower is centered on the table.  See pictures &
>> >> mat marks.")
>> >>
>> >> Steve Scherr
>> >> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Andy Traiger <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve,
>> >>>
>> >>> Is the position of the flower centerpiece on the table approximately
>> >>> in
>> >>> the
>> >>> center of the table as shown in the field setup picture? If we get to
>> >>> a
>> >>> tournament table and the flower is substantially off-center on the
>> >>> dinner
>> >>> table, may we ask the ref to move it to the center?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks!
>> >>>
>> >>> Andy Traiger
>> >>> Coach Vienna Robotics
>> >>>
>> >>> P.S. My team and I thank you sincerely for your quick, detailed and
>> >>> enlightening responses to everyone's questions. Thanks for all you do
>> >>> to
>> >>> make this a rewarding, educational and fun experience for the kids
>> >>> (and
>> >>> coaches too)!
>> >>>
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