My mistake--Jason is correct. For Study Wildlife, the bear or snowmobile must be touching and completely inside the area. For Get People Together, just a part of the citizens must be touching the area. Thanks! Steve On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:17:55 -0400, Darlene Pantaleo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >My interpretation is that you should think of the snowmobile and the >bear as separate entities. Each item can score independent of the >other. You do not need to get both of them to the research area to >score with one of them. > >As to the "touching the mat outside that model", this is a good >question to ask of the Q & A and I have sent it on. >Darlene Pantaleo >Judge Advisor >Maggie Walker > > > > >On Oct 30, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Jason Baker wrote: > >> Steve needs to read the mission once again. It specifically says >> "they must not be touching the mat outside that model" >> >> >> >> >> Study Wildlife >> Move the polar bear and/or the snowmobile to the research area. To >> score, they must be making direct contact with >> the research area model and/or the mat within that model, but they >> must not be touching the mat outside that model. >> The scoring bear is worth 15 points upright, or 10 points >> “sleeping” (on its side), and the scoring snowmobile is worth >> 10 points. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Scherr <[log in to unmask]> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:46:45 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Fw: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of >> researchers while delivery >> >> J. Baker is mistaken. First, "touching" means that some part of >> the model is touching the mat in >> the scoring area. The mission does not state that the model must >> be "completely" inside the area, >> so some part of the model can be touching the scoring area, and >> some part can be outside the >> area, and it would still be a successful mission. >> >> Second, as Phil Smith III noted earlier, field damage to the >> mission models has to be pretty severe >> and clearly due to some robot action, like a crashing impact, to >> be attributed to the robot. If a >> hat, ski, arm, or a ski pole falls off during a round, it would >> probably be considered model failure, >> and be something not able to be repaired during the match. The >> team could ask for the pieces to >> be removed from the field as stray objects. >> >> Although it does not apply during this year's game, even if the >> mission had required that the >> model be completely inside the research area, and a ski had fallen >> off and was not in the area, I >> would expect the detaching of the ski to be ruled as model damage, >> and that the team could still >> earn points for the mission. >> >> >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:58:39 -0400, J. Baker <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> >I would think both pieces would have to make it to the research area. >> >Otherwise the model would be touching the mat outside the research >> area. >> >Especially since the robot is not allowed to "break mission >> models" and if >> >the points count as a result of "field damage" it only seems to me it >> >wouldn't count due to field damage. >> > >> > >> > >> >Field Damage >> > >> >. The robot is not allowed to break mission models or separate >> Dual Lock. >> > >> >. If a mission model breaks, malfunctions, moves, or is activated by >> >anything other than allowable action, the >> > >> >ref reverses the change as soon as possible (if possible). >> > >> >. Field damage too severe to reverse is left as is and could fall >> under the >> >Stray Objects rule. >> > >> >. If points are earned along with field damage that occurs due to >> faulty >> >model design, construction, or setup, >> > >> >you keep those points. >> > >> >. Field damage that obviously occurs because of the team or robot, >> whether >> >intentional or not, draws a >> > >> >warning. Repeats could make associated missions worthless. >> > >> > >> > >> >Study Wildlife >> > >> >Move the polar bear and/or the snowmobile to the research area. To >> score, >> >they must be making direct contact with >> > >> >the research area model and/or the mat within that model, but they >> must not >> >be touching the mat outside that model. >> > >> >The scoring bear is worth 15 points upright, or 10 points >> "sleeping" (on its >> >side), and the scoring snowmobile is worth >> > >> >10 points >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _____ >> > >> >From: First Lego League Discussion [mailto:VADCFLL- >> [log in to unmask]] On >> >Behalf Of Greg Robertson >> >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:45 AM >> >To: [log in to unmask] >> >Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Fw: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of researchers >> while >> >delivery >> > >> > >> >I think the people would be fine because they just have to be >> touching. >> >I don't know about the snow mobile, or also the ice bouy, because >> they say >> >touching only the research area, I would think there should be some >> >exception but I havn't seen anything. >> > >> >Greg >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Deepak Patil <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> >To: [log in to unmask] >> >Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:53 AM >> >Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Loosing parts of researchers while delivery >> > >> >Hello, >> > >> >While delivering researchers (lego mini-figs) to their destination, >> >sometimes their parts fall off (skis/caps, etc.) >> >If that happens during tournament are any points taken off? >> > >> >Also similarly the snow-mobile looses it's parts, so if it's skis >> fall off >> >but rest of the snoe-mobile is delviered is >> >it considered scored? >> > >> >Luckily the polar bear's head stays on it's shoulders :-) >> > >> >any insight will be appreciated. >> > >> >- Deepak Patil >> > >> >______________________________________________________________ >> >______________________________________________________________ To >> >UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE YOUR SUBSCRIPTION, please visit >> >https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join >> or leave >> >the list". 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