Darlene,

                One would assume that the activation of the test levee would have been done by the ACTIVE robot which then was stopped by the test levee mechanism and needed to be rescued.  The robot would not be considered INACTIVE until it was touched in the process of rescuing it, would it?  The only scenario I see in which the test levee would need to be reset is if the robot was stopped by the test levee mechanism WITHOUT activating it and then was activated inadvertently by the robot or the person rescuing it in the act of picking it up after the robot was touched and thus became INACTIVE.  Am I seeing this correctly?

                Regards,

                                Joe Kaperick

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] active touch rule

 

Regarding question #2 about the testing the levees challenge: Since the activation of the test levee is what the scoring is based on, I would assume that if the robot is sitting on/touching the activation bar when touched, the mission would be reset under the inactive robot rule. "Anything done by an inactive robot is reversed by the ref, to the extent possible, as soon as possible."

 

Since everything rests on when the mission is actually considered completed, I have sent the question to the Q & A for an official answer.

 

As to the new scenario RE the insulation, I agree.

 

Darlene Pantaleo

Judge Advisor

Maggie Walker

 




 

On Nov 13, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Mark FLL Allen wrote:



See the answers as I understand the rules below.  One other scenario:

Robot delivers insulation to scoring area but the robot is touched while still in contact.  As I understand it there are actually two answers;

1) Robot contacted the object on the field and moved it to the scoring area.  The object(s) are removed by the ref and are out of play.
2) Robot previously brought those objects back to base.  If so, those objects are returned to base. 

Does every one agree?

Best regards,
Mark
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From: David Levy <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 9:53 am
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] active touch rule

Maybe some example scenarios would be appropriate - 
 
In the "testing the levees challenge" , robot has moved only partially out of base - robot is touched when: 
 
1) still not yet reached the challenge model (penalty ?)  - No penalty.
2) challenge model has been activated , and other end of robot is sitting on the challenge model's activation bar ( penalty ?) No Penalty
3) challenge model has been activated, robot has moved off challenge model's activation bar and 'heading' back ( legal ?) No penalty
 
In other missions where the robot has completely left base performed a mission and is returning to base - robot is touched when: 
4) robot is completely in base but still rolling ( legal )  Yes - legal
5) robot is partially in base but still rolling ( legal ) Yes - legal
6) robot is partially in base but it is bringing back a scoring object that is on a section of the robot that has not crossed over the home base line. (penalty?)  No penalty but the "retrievable" is removed from the table by the ref and is out of play.
 
thanks 
David 
 
Darlene Pantaleo wrote: 
> Normally you can touch the robot while in base, but if you do it while > it is performing a mission, then the mission will not count. The new > rules allow for performing a mission without leaving the base. Sorry > for the confusion. 
> Darlene Pantaleo 
> Judge Advisor 
> Maggie Walker 




> On Nov 13, 2008, at 2:52 AM, Michael Blanpied wrote: 

>> Dear Darlene, 
>> 
>>> The effect of the new rules is on what the robot can do while in >>> base. It does not effect a team's touching the robot except that a >>> mission will not count if done from base (such as the "test the >>> levees" challenge). 
>> 
>> I'm afraid I don't understand what that last phrase means. Under what >> circumstance would a mission not count? Thanks for clarifying. 
>> 
>> -- >> Cheers, 
>> Mike Blanpied 
>> Reston, VA 
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