Thanks to everyone for their feedback and and advice. I have a rookie team (except one person) and when they were first working on one of the missions, they impacted the wall again and again (in ways that would not be useful), because of programming and robot design issues and it fell apart a few times. (came off the dual locks and some pieces disconnected). They now have programs that behave better. We have put the pieces back together and can use the walls as 'navigational aids' now without damaging the walls. At least so far. My concern is that with repeated runs on the table it may be harder and harder for the referees to put them together reliably. I just tried Steve's suggestion to place a quarter under the wall to aid in pressing the pieces back together and it worked well. Thanks Steve. I'm going to think about this over the weekend. I have gone back and read the rules again and will do so several times. --- Eric F. Palmer [log in to unmask] FLL 2009 Team 956 Coach FLL 2009 Team 882 Mentor _____ From: Sonya Shaver [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 12:35 AM To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems Hi all, We haven't had a problem with this yet, even driving a robot over the wall. Eric, what is it that you are doing that is causing this to happen? I would submit it to the Q&A blog, because if it is a universal problem, then maybe they will make a ruling on it. What do you think about that Steve? Sonya Shaver Nanobots in Harrisonburg On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Eric Palmer <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Problems with the yellow guide walls persist. After repeated runs with our robot the walls are not holding up and are hard to get firmly back together. The problems is that the Velcro like material lifts the sections it is adhered to and the other sections are now not at the same level. We can fix this at the home table (use more of the Velcro like stuff, or glue the pieces). But I'm concerned that at tournament the walls are going to get destroyed and be hard to put together well and in a timely way. Are you having problems with the guide walls as well? Do you have solutions? Eric Palmer [log in to unmask] FLL 2009 Team 956 Coach FLL 2009 Team 882 Mentor THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS == Team 956 Sponsors === Signature Consulting Signature Consultants is an IT staffing firm that provides IT professionals to clients on a contract, contract to hire and direct hire basis. http://www.sigconsult.com ----- NDSE Network Data Security Experts One Company. Many Solutions. http://www.ndse.net ----- Virginia Asset Management The Power of Independence http://www.vamllc.com ----- AERC Recycling Secure Data Destruction & Surplus http://www.aercrecycling.com/ == Team 882 Sponsor === CapTech Ventures Managing, Designing, & Implementing IT Systems http://www.captechventures.com/ =============================== -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe.