I wouldn't worry about accidental damage. The general rule is that it's gotta look deliberate and/or play into the team's strategy (I guess that would imply deliberate). I.e., if your robot tries to make points by going over the guide walls, knocking them down in the process, that would probably NOT be acceptable. If they're known to be fragile and they fall over when bumped, it's as likely to hurt as help, and is not (or at least should not be) penalizable (hmm, apparently that's not a word, but you know what I mean!). And yes, sometimes they will be glued -- but you can't count on that, either. -- Phil Smith III Virginia State Judge Advisor, 2007, 2008, 2009 Judge Advisor, Northern Virginia Regional tournaments, 2007, 2008 Division 1 Judge Advisor, Virginia State tournament, 2006 Coach, The Capital Girls, Oak Hill (retired) Team 1900 (2002) Team 2497 (2003) Team 2355 (2004) Team 1945 (2005) -----Original Message----- From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eric Palmer Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:06 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems I'll have to go back and read the rule again about if we damage the guide walls unintentionally. They are just a fragile design. But if the walls are not solid it may change the behavior of the robots and the time it takes for the judges to piece them together may be a factor. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe.