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Thank you, Mike. I think my point is being missed. Jin giving great information. I wish it was available to me prior to my rookie year as a coach. I just don’t think this is the time to be doing it. General information is fine but there have been some very specific things discussed on this list.

The point of the mission game is for the kids to figure out solutions. If it gets handed to them whether in the form of robot building instructions or mission code, they haven’t really gained anything. As a coach, your job is to get them thinking, not offer them a solution. Ask how, ask why, but don’t say “try this”. And even as a coach, if someone’s given you the “answer”, It’s very hard to keep it to yourself.

Keep in mind, it’s not about the points, it’s about the ideas they come up with to meet the challenge.

Lisa

From: Dash Family [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:52 AM
To: 'Lisa Savage'; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to Sundays 11/01

Wow – Lisa

I thought the point of FLL was gracious professionalism. Would you also be upset if I lent a fresh battery to the team that ultimately wins the competition? How about if I have a student mentor who has done FLL before and helps us with robot design and programming?

We are all in this together, we all struggle. Congratulations that your team can struggle and figure out problems on their own. They are learning a ton that way. To whine that others may be getting the same information your team figured out themselves is a little stunning.

Jin has helped me focus my rookie team of 9 – 10 year olds on what is important, and some methods to achieve that goal – just like real engineers do. He has not told us how to build a the robot or how to do any single mission in this challenge. He has given us examples of what worked in the past that we can experiment with and adapt to our current needs. I am grateful to Jin and his gracious professionalism. He has made our first FLL experience much better than it was before we met him.

Danielle Dash

1898

From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lisa Savage
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 09:42
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Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to Sundays 11/01

Jin,

This is all great information that you are giving out but I think you should be doing this during the “off-season”. It is very disheartening as a coach to see my team struggle to figure out a solution and the next week see you offer that solution to whoever wants to take it.

Lisa Savage

Team 0697

From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jin Ye
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to Sundays 11/01

Oops.

My mailing (home) address is

Jin Ye

4520 Willet Drive, Annandale, VA 22003

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Michael Blanpied <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Michael Blanpied <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to Sundays 11/01
To: "Jin Ye" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 9:23 AM

Dear Jin,

Sounds like a great collection of information!

What is your mailing address?

Thanks,

Mike

Dear VADCFLLers:

I have a FLL INFO DVD for the attendees of the workshop, including in

1 - Robot designs examples and mission programs of the previous challenges from the teams hat I have coached or mentored, and from the material geruosly provided by "Configurators" - our Virginia's own BEST team ever in my opinion.

2 - Other NXT robots building instruction which can be an excellent initial study/example models for FLL robots, mostly from Internet

3 - Showcase FLL Challenge robot game performance video from some national and international renown teams and from our award-winning Virginia teams (Team Configurators, Team Tiki, Team Robot Activators, Team MaJJEECKS, Team SMALL, Team Sea Monsters, and Team Mission Plausible)

4 - In-depth Discussions on various FLL Challenge related topics from previous years FLL Forums

5 - A "Video on 2007 Rules" including many illustrations of the previous missions.

I'm making it available to VADCFLL list. If you mail me a self-addressed and pre-stamped enverlope, I'll do my best to send it to you ASAP - don't worry about the cost of the DVD media and please please dont' send cash with the enverlope.

Jin

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Debbie Harris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

From: Debbie Harris <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] A special offer to your team - a free 2 hour FLL robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to Sundays 11/01
To: "Jin Ye" <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 12:11 AM

I am in Botetourt County. Would you consider creating a video of one of your workshops and making it available to teams not in your area?

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Jin Ye <[log in to unmask]" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear FLLers:

I, a WOULD-BE of FLL "mentor-on-the-run" offer the NVA local teams a "home-service-call": a free 2 hour FLL robot design / programming clinic at your place between Friday, 10/16 to Sundays 11/01 (only evenings at the weekends).

The "NVA local teams" is defined as

1 - Any teams based at home within 20-mile radius to zip-codes 20151 (my work place in Chantilly) or 22003 (my home in Annandale)

2 - Any teams based at school within 35-mile radius to the same zip-codes indicated above.

Of cause, As always I do this on totally volunteer-basis. Actually I am quite busy at work to bring up an information database system to comply a DOD security standard / requirement. Therefore, any personal time-off should be planned ahead.

If your team wants me to come at weekday daytime, you have to let me know ASAP.

What I will offer to you at the clinic -

Simply put, if currently your team expects to score 150 to 200 points at the robot game, you may gain 50 to 100 more points if you implement the robot design / programming tips that I will go through at the clinic. And the teams will enjoy a lot more in this Challenge because they will feel that THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE THE ROBOT TO PLAY THE GAME!

Certainly the meeting will be interactive - I strongly encourage and welcome your questions at the clinic.

I prefer to work with team's builders and programmers only (plus coaches / mentors) so the meeting can be more effective.

I'll have some 2009 game mission execution demos used for explain the tips. The original NXT mission script is from Liam Bishop and his teammates of FLL 2009 Team 8404. The robot that I'll use for the demo is from award-winning FLL 2007 Team 945, built by Jason Ye and his teammates.

I cannot reveal the awesome secret of Team 8404's robot. But I can't help to tell you the robot carries a "missile".

If you are interested in the offer, please reply back to me only (not to the list). The deadline is Saturday, 10/17. If the number of teams that asked me is more than that I can service during the period, I'll give priority to the school teams first, and then the teams with the majority of the kids who never did the FLL challengers before, and so on.

Jin Ye

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