Four other thoughts... 1. Releasing something like this shortly before a tournament might be an attempt to prompt somebody to try to make big changes. Big changes without time to refine and perfect is usually unproductive. 2. There was a lot of "aiming" at the beginning of these missions. Not usually a good or consistent strategy. 3. You don't know how many "takes" it took before they had one on video that worked. 4. And in a bit more the spirit of gracious professionalism, the team that posted is from Hong Kong. I have no idea what their schedule is like but they may be done with their tournament. Should they wait on all the tournaments to happen before posting their videos? I know of at least one qualifier tournament in Ohio that won't be until January. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Darlene Pantaleo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > The video shows each solution independently and takes 5 1/2 minutes to > complete them all. It is also edited together. The trick is to get as much > of this done within the time constraints as possible, and generally requires > joining missions together to get them accomplished. > > Darlene Pantaleo > FLL Judge Advisor > Maggie Walker > P/F: 804.745.2493 > > > > On Oct 29, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Sonya Shaver wrote: > > It's too bad that someone has posted this. I don't think it's okay, and it > spoils the fun of figuring out the challenge on their own. However, there > is no way that judges could deduct points for anything that was similar, > because there will always be teams who have the same ideas of how to solve a > mission, that just happened to come up with a similar solution, or even one > that looks exactly alike. So that wouldn't be fair for judges to deduct > points. That is actually probably going to happen a lot with some of these > missions, that many teams will have a similar idea on how to solve > something. We had a research idea one year that another team in another > state won an award for, and so they had some videos about them on the > internet. And literally, it was almost our team's exact idea, many things > about it were exactly the same. Yet, my team had never heard of this other > team, talked to them, etc. It happens. > > If my team had found that video by accident, I would have had them turn it > off immediately and not let them be influenced by it, unless they saw it > without you knowing, at another time. I think the point you want to > emphasize is not, "don't copy their ideas because you might get caught and > get points deducted" but rather, the more important reasons why they > wouldn't want to copy someone else's ideas. It is not nearly as easy to > copy someone's idea though, because you still have to write the program and > make it work. However, with only a week to go, they must be fairly close to > finalizing their programming anyway. > > > > Sonya > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Sean Paus <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> One of my team members just found a YouTube video that shows a robot >> solving the Body Forward robot missions: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCsTDr1-wOM >> >> Obviously, several members of my team asked me "Can we do that?". I >> cautioned them that judges may be aware of this video and may deduct points >> for using someone else's solution. Would that be a fair assessment? >> >> I, personally, am very disappointed to find that someone posted solutions >> to this problem before the end of the tournament season. I'd prefer that my >> boys come up with their own solutions to the missions. I would not rule out >> researching robot designs and programs that solve different, yet similar >> problems. However, handing them solutions to the current challenge seems >> ... wrong to me. >> >> What are other coaches thoughts on this? How about anyone who may be >> judging competitions in the VA/DC area? >> >> Sean M. Paus >> FLL Coach >> >> -- >> A: Yes >> > Q: Are you sure? >> >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? >> ------------------------------ >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >> leave the list". >> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit >> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe. > > > ------------------------------ > To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave > the list". > VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. 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