I totally with the point that trying to change your program and missions is foolish at this stage. As it is it was very painful to come this far - with the programs, attachments and getting the kids to co-ordinate! We are way over the time limit and trying to cut the time - but changing the whole strategy seems like a real far-fetched notion for our division 1 team. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Jamie Diamond <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Four other thoughts... > > 1. Releasing something like this shortly before a tournament might be an > attempt to prompt somebody to try to make big changes. Big changes without > time to refine and perfect is usually unproductive. > > 2. There was a lot of "aiming" at the beginning of these missions. Not > usually a good or consistent strategy. > > 3. You don't know how many "takes" it took before they had one on video > that worked. > > 4. And in a bit more the spirit of gracious professionalism, the team that > posted is from Hong Kong. I have no idea what their schedule is like but > they may be done with their tournament. Should they wait on all the > tournaments to happen before posting their videos? I know of at least one > qualifier tournament in Ohio that won't be until January. > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Darlene Pantaleo <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > >> The video shows each solution independently and takes 5 1/2 minutes to >> complete them all. It is also edited together. The trick is to get as much >> of this done within the time constraints as possible, and generally requires >> joining missions together to get them accomplished. >> >> Darlene Pantaleo >> FLL Judge Advisor >> Maggie Walker >> P/F: 804.745.2493 >> >> >> >> On Oct 29, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Sonya Shaver wrote: >> >> It's too bad that someone has posted this. I don't think it's okay, and >> it spoils the fun of figuring out the challenge on their own. However, >> there is no way that judges could deduct points for anything that was >> similar, because there will always be teams who have the same ideas of how >> to solve a mission, that just happened to come up with a similar solution, >> or even one that looks exactly alike. So that wouldn't be fair for judges >> to deduct points. That is actually probably going to happen a lot with some >> of these missions, that many teams will have a similar idea on how to solve >> something. We had a research idea one year that another team in another >> state won an award for, and so they had some videos about them on the >> internet. And literally, it was almost our team's exact idea, many things >> about it were exactly the same. Yet, my team had never heard of this other >> team, talked to them, etc. It happens. >> >> If my team had found that video by accident, I would have had them turn it >> off immediately and not let them be influenced by it, unless they saw it >> without you knowing, at another time. I think the point you want to >> emphasize is not, "don't copy their ideas because you might get caught and >> get points deducted" but rather, the more important reasons why they >> wouldn't want to copy someone else's ideas. It is not nearly as easy to >> copy someone's idea though, because you still have to write the program and >> make it work. However, with only a week to go, they must be fairly close to >> finalizing their programming anyway. >> >> >> >> Sonya >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Sean Paus <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> One of my team members just found a YouTube video that shows a robot >>> solving the Body Forward robot missions: >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCsTDr1-wOM >>> >>> Obviously, several members of my team asked me "Can we do that?". I >>> cautioned them that judges may be aware of this video and may deduct points >>> for using someone else's solution. Would that be a fair assessment? >>> >>> I, personally, am very disappointed to find that someone posted solutions >>> to this problem before the end of the tournament season. I'd prefer that my >>> boys come up with their own solutions to the missions. I would not rule out >>> researching robot designs and programs that solve different, yet similar >>> problems. However, handing them solutions to the current challenge seems >>> ... wrong to me. >>> >>> What are other coaches thoughts on this? How about anyone who may be >>> judging competitions in the VA/DC area? >>> >>> Sean M. Paus >>> FLL Coach >>> >>> -- >>> A: Yes >>> > Q: Are you sure? >>> >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email? >>> ------------------------------ >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >>> leave the list". >>> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >> leave the list". >> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. 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