Sorry--When I say a "clean start", I mean a start that is in accordance with Rules 20 and 21.

The rules distinguish between the start of the match (when there is a countdown), and the various starts of the robot.  The first start of the robot during a match has to wait on the countdown.  All starts of the robot after the first (usually called "restarts") don't wait on permission or a countdown but do require that (1) everything the robot is touching or will use is completely within Base, (2) everything is motionless, (3) no-one is touching the robot or other objects in Base.

Darlene's short list makes for good guidelines.  There are consequences specified in the rules if the team doesn't follow them (the robot becomes inactive and you have to restart, you might lose cargo, etc.)

Steve

On Nov 1, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Darlene Pantaleo wrote:

Essentially...
1. You may touch the robot when it is in base and inactive.
2. You may touch anything waiting in base except when the match is starting. At that point, during the countdown, you cannot touch anything.
3. You may grab the robot on the field anytime (and incur a penalty), bring it back to base, and restart it. You do not have to wait for the ref to call start, but the ref will be looking to see that your robot has made a clean start. If not, you will have to start again.
4. If you are restarting the robot, the same rules apply--you cannot touch anything when making your robot active. Example: One team member has grabbed the robot and brought it back to restart. The other team member is touching things in base when the robot is restarted. This is not a clean start and the ref will recall the robot even though there was no countdown.
5. You may not touch anything outside of base aside from your robot and debris from accidental robot damage.
6. You may not touch anything inside base that an active robot is touching.

Hope this helps!

Darlene Pantaleo
FLL Judge Advisor
Maggie Walker
P/F: 804.745.2493



On Nov 1, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Brandy bergenstock wrote:




    2) For a clean start, Rule 20 says that "YOU may NOT be touching objects the robot is about to move or use," and "YOU may NOT be touching objects the robot is touching," and, of course, Rule 21 says that the team cannot touch the robot just before a start or restart:  "You may not handle the robot, or anything it’s about to move or use, during or after the countdown, except for the single action needed to get the program running.  Because of these rules, it is highly recommend that the team members not be touching anything in Base at the time or a start or restart.
 
This is unclear to me. Is a clean start a restart after the robot is brought back, or is it the very first time the robot is turned on?    I thought I read in LLyod's post that you didn't to wait until the referees told you to start again after handing you the robot.  You could start it once it was in base again. 
     Also, the objects we can not touch, are those missions parts on the mat that are not in base then? 
I'm just trying to make sure I fully understand all the dos and don'ts.
 Thanks, 
Brandy 


On Nov 1, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Lloyd O'Hara wrote:

Paul,
 
If I'm understanding the question correctly, you would like to know if the team can be work on stuff in base while the bot is out doing its thing.  If I am understanding correctly, the answer, as long as it's only the two members at the table, would be yes, its ok.  Not only is it ok, its a very sound way to approach things if you ask me.
 
Thanks,
 
Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: [log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Paul Saksvig
To: [log in to unmask]" ymailto="mailto:[log in to unmask]" target="_blank" href="mailto:[log in to unmask]" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">[log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 3:46 PM
Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Handling Things in Base

When the robot is active and out of base can the team members be working on things in base such as loading up attachments - or do they have to wait until the robot is inactive and back in base?
 
Thanks
 
Paul


To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". 
VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe.


To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". 
VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe.


To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list".
VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe.


To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list".
VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe.