if we the robot knocks the flower off the table while delivering the groceries, does that affect the scoring? zack On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 12:27 PM, VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Well, I received some very specific setup instructions from Scott Evans: > > "The flower's location and orientation are given consistently in every > available picture ... it is the case that the centerpiece does need to > be centered on the table, with its base clocked 45 degrees." > > If I zoom in on the large picture of the Practice Field in the Field > Setup instructions, I can make out the orientation of the > centerpiece's base, as described. > > Of course, by Rule 28, the text quoted above is not official. > Nevertheless, based on the pictures in the Field Setup, the official > setup position for the centerpiece is in the middle of the table, and > it is quite appropriate for teams to check the location of the > centerpiece, and for the referee to adjust it as needed. > > Thanks to Vienna Robotics for bringing this up! > > > I think that Charlie's questions weren't intended for me, so I'll just > comment that "Robot game text means exactly and only what it says." > > Steve Scherr > VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Charles Aldridge <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > "Hidden Freedoms" are a part of every FLL challenge so I wonder if this > is > > an opportunity. What text should be considered besides the scoring > > condition? It states "the flower centerpiece can be there too". It > doesn't > > say "must be there." Steve noted that the referee will not adjust the > field > > set up prior to a match to a position requested by the team. After the > > match begins, what constrains a team from removing the flower from the > > table? > > > > ~Charlie Aldridge > > > > MISSION: GROCERIES - Here's your chance to buy undamaged goods, as fresh > as > > possible, with the fewest ingredients possible, from trustable places, > and > > get your cold stuff home and put away as soon as possible! > > > > SCORING CONDITION(S): EACH grocery unit is worth 2 POINTS if the table is > > supporting all of its weight, and no weight other than grocery units (the > > flower centerpiece can be there too). > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "VA/DC Referee Advisor" < > [log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:00 AM > > Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Position of flower on dinner table > > > > > >> Andy, > >> I'll have to stall on the question of whether the position of the > >> flower centerpiece is specifically the middle of the table, while I > >> send off a question. > >> > >> The response to the second question depends on the first--if the > >> center of the table is the "official setup position", then the referee > >> should move the centerpiece there if the team notices that it isn't > >> there. If not, the referee shouldn't move the centerpiece to a > >> specific location in response to a team request. > >> > >> I do know, from unofficial channels, that the centerpiece serves a > >> dual function--to look pretty and to get in the way, so I am uncertain > >> about how much weight to give to the specific location in the picture. > >> Typically, pictures indicate general locations and layout, and > >> wording and mat marks show specific locations (e.g. the Field Setup > >> would have said "The flower is centered on the table. See pictures & > >> mat marks.") > >> > >> Steve Scherr > >> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Andy Traiger <[log in to unmask]> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Steve, > >>> > >>> Is the position of the flower centerpiece on the table approximately in > >>> the > >>> center of the table as shown in the field setup picture? If we get to a > >>> tournament table and the flower is substantially off-center on the > dinner > >>> table, may we ask the ref to move it to the center? > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Andy Traiger > >>> Coach Vienna Robotics > >>> > >>> P.S. My team and I thank you sincerely for your quick, detailed and > >>> enlightening responses to everyone's questions. Thanks for all you do > to > >>> make this a rewarding, educational and fun experience for the kids (and > >>> coaches too)! > >>> > >>> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or > leave > >>> the list". > >>> > >>> -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via > >>> VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. 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