On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Charles Aldridge <
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> "Hidden Freedoms" are a part of every FLL challenge so I wonder if this is
> an opportunity. What text should be considered besides the scoring
> condition? It states "the flower centerpiece can be there too". It doesn't
> say "must be there." Steve noted that the referee will not adjust the field
> set up prior to a match to a position requested by the team. After the
> match begins, what constrains a team from removing the flower from the
> table?
>
> ~Charlie Aldridge
>
> MISSION: GROCERIES - Here's your chance to buy undamaged goods, as fresh as
> possible, with the fewest ingredients possible, from trustable places, and
> get your cold stuff home and put away as soon as possible!
>
> SCORING CONDITION(S): EACH grocery unit is worth 2 POINTS if the table is
> supporting all of its weight, and no weight other than grocery units (the
> flower centerpiece can be there too).
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "VA/DC Referee Advisor" <
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Position of flower on dinner table
>
>
>> Andy,
>> I'll have to stall on the question of whether the position of the
>> flower centerpiece is specifically the middle of the table, while I
>> send off a question.
>>
>> The response to the second question depends on the first--if the
>> center of the table is the "official setup position", then the referee
>> should move the centerpiece there if the team notices that it isn't
>> there. If not, the referee shouldn't move the centerpiece to a
>> specific location in response to a team request.
>>
>> I do know, from unofficial channels, that the centerpiece serves a
>> dual function--to look pretty and to get in the way, so I am uncertain
>> about how much weight to give to the specific location in the picture.
>> Typically, pictures indicate general locations and layout, and
>> wording and mat marks show specific locations (e.g. the Field Setup
>> would have said "The flower is centered on the table. See pictures &
>> mat marks.")
>>
>> Steve Scherr
>> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Andy Traiger <
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>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> Is the position of the flower centerpiece on the table approximately in
>>> the
>>> center of the table as shown in the field setup picture? If we get to a
>>> tournament table and the flower is substantially off-center on the dinner
>>> table, may we ask the ref to move it to the center?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Andy Traiger
>>> Coach Vienna Robotics
>>>
>>> P.S. My team and I thank you sincerely for your quick, detailed and
>>> enlightening responses to everyone's questions. Thanks for all you do to
>>> make this a rewarding, educational and fun experience for the kids (and
>>> coaches too)!
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