On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:26 AM, B Bergenstock <
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> OK- a scenario from my team. Occasionally the robot does not make a turn
> back as far as it is programed to go, but it usually hits the bacteria tray
> on its way back to base (the one closest to the base near the yellow ball),
> then almost always spins itself into the base. The container the kids used
> to catch the bacteria is half in and half out of base, which means not all
> the bacteria are in base when they need to retrieve it.
> Would all those bacterium get taken out, or some? Just wondering so I can
> tell the kids what to expect (most of the time) from the judges when that
> happens.
> Brandy
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:43 AM, VA/DC Referee Advisor <
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> wrote:
>>
>> Sonya, that is correct. If the item hasn't crossed into Base, and it
>> came from out in the field (the robot didn't bring it out of Base when
>> it left), then the item would be taken out of play by the referee when
>> the robot was touched.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Sonya Shaver <
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>> > Thanks, Steve! So, if the robot has an attachment on it that has
>> > grabbed
>> > something, and then comes back to base, and the robot is all the way
>> > back in
>> > base, but has an attachment still dangling out of base that has the item
>> > attached to it, then they could lose the item if the touch the robot?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:45 PM, VA/DC Referee Advisor <
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>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Rule 18 tells what happens when you touch the robot or its cargo. It
>> >> includes a Warning: "Avoid touching a robot entering Base until its
>> >> cargo has also reached Base!"
>> >>
>> >> The bottom line is that the team will usually not want to touch the
>> >> robot or its cargo until the robot itself and each of its cargo items
>> >> have crossed into Base.
>> >>
>> >> The position of each item is determined independently (Rule 21) and
>> >> cargo that has not crossed into Base may be lost (Rule 18).
>> >>
>> >> There are also several Robot Game Updates that give more details on
>> >> specific cases:
>> >> Update 24, Multi-part models, tells us that the yellow farm truck and
>> >> its contents are treated as a single object--if one is in Base, then
>> >> all are in Base. Similarly the white refrigerated trailer and its
>> >> contents are treated as a single object for entering Base.
>> >> Update 25, Bacteria Cluster Entering Base, tells us that distinct
>> >> continuous clusters of bacteria will be treated as one object for
>> >> purposes of entering Base. It also reminds us that this doesn't apply
>> >> to other mission models.
>> >>
>> >> Update 30, from this week, doesn't talk about Base, but it does give
>> >> some examples about when a mission model is cargo.
>> >>
>> >> Steve Scherr
>> >> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Sonya Shaver <
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>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hello,
>> >> > Can I ask a question to clarify when you can touch the robot when it
>> >> > returns
>> >> > to base in between programs?
>> >> > In past years, the team could grab the robot as soon as a portion of
>> >> > the
>> >> > robot had clearly entered base. But I think I read something in a
>> >> > question
>> >> > on this list about cargo needing to be in base too. So, can you
>> >> > clarify
>> >> > about that? For example, if the robot has an attachment that has
>> >> > grabbed
>> >> > some item off the table to bring it back to base, then when the robot
>> >> > comes
>> >> > back to base, once a part of the robot has clearly entered base, can
>> >> > the
>> >> > team member still grab the robot? Even if the cargo is still out of
>> >> > base,
>> >> > but is attached to the attachment on the robot? Am I being clear?
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Sonya in Harrisonburg
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