Thanks [log in to unmask] ~ On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM, VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Actually, the referee does reset things, when appropriate: > > Rule 23 – Reversibile Accidents > When things such as a sleeve, table-bump, or illegal action disturb > the field in any way, the ref physically reverses the change if he or > she feels that’s easy... > > And the referee will move the pinwheel backwards during the match to > assess touch penalties. > > Mission: Touch Penalty – If you touch the robot while it’s outside > Base, the referee clicks the cardiovascular exercise dial one click > toward zero. > > > To answer the question, "what happens if the pinwheel clicks twice", > we look at the mission description: > METHOD RESTRICTION: > — between every click of the wheel and the next, the robot must get > completely into base at least once > > and Game Update 3: > Leave Base, click once, with or without doing other stuff, go back to > Base, come back out, click once more, with or without doing other > stuff, and so on. The dial must move by pinwheel clicks only and only > one per outing. > > > Moving the pinwheel twice is an illegal action, so, by Rule 23, the > referee undoes the illegal action. > > The question for the referee is, "what is the illegal action?" Is it > (1) moving the pinwheel the second click before returning to Base, or > (2) doing something that moves the pinwheel two clicks? > > In Case (1), the referee will undo the second click, and leave the > first one untouched. > In Case (2), the referee will undo both clicks. > > Before reviewing the Challenge, I thought that I knew what I would do, > but after reviewing the Challenge, I am unsure. So, for the time > being, Rule 29 applies. > > Rule 29 - Benefit of the Doubt > You get the benefit of the doubt when: > -- a situation could “go either way” due to confusing, conflicting, or > missing information. > > However, I will write to Scott Evans and ask for a Game > Update/clarification, so this interpretation may not be valid during > tournament season. > > My recommendation: a well-designed robot should only take actions > that will normally move the pinwheel one click. It should be an > accident or out-of-control effect that would cause a double-click, not > the robot doing its planned interaction with the Cardiovascular > Exercise mission. > > Steve Scherr > VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor > > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Brandy bergenstock > <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > The rules stated that it would only count 1 click per base trip. Refs > don't > > usually reset items, so I am assuming- until an official ruling comes > down > > from high- that if you turn it more than 1 click per base trip, it won't > > count (for the 2nd+ turn) and you have limited the number of points you > get > > from that items because you "wasted" a turn. > > That's my interpretation. > > Brandy > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: will chen <[log in to unmask]> > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 7:06 PM > > Subject: [VADCFLL-L] > > > > thanks, I was also wondering, if you hit the cardio exercise too hard > and it > > moves more then one click, then what would the referee do? > > > > > > [log in to unmask] ~ > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or > leave the list". > > -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via > VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to > subscribe. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.