I'd have to disagree. Under rule 10, "anything joined with it (the controller) by hand", (even if held down with gravity under "any method, any configuration"), "which is designed not to separate from it except by hand" (presuming the robot is not designed to flip itself over) qualifies as part of the robot. Under rule 10, even if the basket is attached to the robot for only one mission, it is an attachment, not a strategic object. I'd agree that if the robot picked up a basket and carried it to the red zone, it could be considered a strategic object because it was not joined by hand and could be released without the help of a hand. I suspect that a team would have to work at it to make such a "basket on the robot" a strategic object. And, I don't think even that was Scott's intent, but I'd read it that way as its written - I'll check with him to be sure. I'd be interesting to hear Steve's take until Scott clarifies it. Rules: 10. ROBOT - The robot is the controller and anything joined with it by hand (any method, any configuration) which is designed not to separate from it except by hand. 11. ATTACHMENTS - These are features which qualify as part of the robot while installed, but are not installed for the entire match. 12. STRATEGIC OBJECTS - These are team-supplied objects which serve a mission-related purpose, but never qualify as part of the robot. Brian On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Charles Diaz Aldridge wrote: > Paul said "basket on the robot" so if the basket itself is cargo on the bot it is a strategic object but if integrated into the robot I agree with everything you say. > > -Sent on my Etch A Sketch > > On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Brian Hardy <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Not if its part of the robot, only if the robot leaves the box and goes somewhere else. Paul made it sound like they were planning to take the box to the red zone as part of the "Safe Place" mission. >> >> >> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Charles Diaz Aldridge wrote: >> >>> I'd say basket is a strategic object (allowable) but will incur a "junk" penalty. >>> >>> -Sent on my Etch A Sketch >>> >>> On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:10 AM, "Emler, Paul" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> My team has a question that they can’t find written anywhere. I know that if it is not written then it is allowed. I want to make sure they just aren’t missing it somewhere. When they have their robot travel to the red zone can they have a basket on the robot carrying people and looped items (i.e. radio, water, etc) as long as those items comply with the gravity test? >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul W. Emler, III >>>> Paul W. Emler, III >>>> Technology Teacher/ Elective Department Head >>>> Technology Student Association Advisor >>>> FLL Coach- Bruin Brick Builders Team #5990 >>>> Western Branch Middle School >>>> Chesapeake Public Schools >>>> Chesapeake, VA >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> 757-638-7920 >>>> 757-638-7926 (fax) > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". > VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to subscribe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.