Nari, Certainly, not. Any feature of the EV3 software is okay, and data logging sounds like an excellent tool. I disagree with the statement: "The implied and express prohibitions of the past (Labview) have (unintentionally?) been swept away..." If you only meant that there are now more easy-to-use functions in newer, allowable software tools, then I misunderstood. Steve On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Anant Narayanan < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Steve: > > > Data Logging is part of the EV3 software yiu identified. Are you saying > we cannot use all parts of the baisc software? > > Nari > > > *______________________________________* > *Sent by* > *Anant Narayanan* > *McLean Robotics Institute* > *[log in to unmask]* > *+1.202.421.3826* > *via AT&T from a Samsung Galaxy S3* > *______________________________________* > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> > Date: > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] eV3 Firmware Upgrade > > > I disagree with Nari on the topic of allowable software. LEGO has a > product identified as "EV3 Software" ( > http://www.lego.com/en-us/mindstorms/downloads/software/ddsoftwaredownload), > and the specific restrictions against add-on toolkits, such as the LabVIEW > toolkit are still explicitly in the rules. > > Based on my personal and professional preferences, I happy to have young > programmers experiment with > a variety of advanced programming tools and environments and to use the > knowledge they gain from those experiments, but the tools that are allowed > for FLL purposes are limited to the four graphics-based ones listed. > > Steve Scherr > VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor > > > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Anant Narayanan < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> This illustrates how fuzzy the rule really has become. >> >> The new EV3 software has a unified interface to functions (e.g. data >> logging) that were separate software silos in the previous generation (NXT >> etc.). >> >> The implied and express prohibitions of the past (Labview) have >> (unintentionally?) been swept away by words "or EV3 software (any release)". >> >> Data Logging is a great tool for understanding the sensors, e.g., plug in >> a gyro sensor, turn on data logging and watch the data on screen. I >> recommend it to all teams. >> >> Best, >> Nari Narayanan >> *______________________________________* >> *Sent by* >> *Anant Narayanan* >> *McLean Robotics Institute* >> *[log in to unmask]* >> *+1.202.421.3826* >> *via AT&T from a Samsung Galaxy S3* >> *______________________________________* >> >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Chris Taylor <[log in to unmask]> >> Date: >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] eV3 Firmware Upgrade >> >> >> Sorry if I confused anyone by using its big boy name... The Lego >> Mindstorms software is a watered down version of labview as is evident by >> the logo in the bottom left corner of splash screen when it starts and in >> the about box. >> >> And this is why I don't help people... I'll go back to being silent. >> >> C >> >> >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 19:11, Bill Aucoin <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> LabVIEW? Not allowed in FLL. >> >> Rule 4 >> >> SOFTWARE - The robot may only be programmed using LEGO MINDSTORMS, >> RoboLab, NXT-G, or EV3 software (any release). No other software is >> allowed. Patches, add-ons, and new versions of the allowable software from >> the manufacturers (LEGO and National Instruments) are allowed, but tool >> kits, including the LabVIEW tool kit, are not allowed. This rule puts a >> cap on software-related unfairness, and put a cap on what we can reasonably >> ask tournament judges to become versed in - thanks for your understanding >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 6:45 PM, Chris Taylor <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> I was trying the firmware update from inside labview last night and it >> spawns browser to a page that redirects to a 404 error. >> So, the "check now" button doesn't work. >> >> However, you can find the latest firmware (1.03h) in the support >> downloads section, then apply through labview with no problems. >> >> C >> >> >> >> On Oct 7, 2013, at 17:15, Jeff Lavezzo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> We found the gyro very non-intuitive. We found a slide show row a coaches >> call that showed how to use it with just a move block and not the turn >> block. I don't have all the details with me but I could send them to you >> later if you can't find it. >> >> -Jeff >> Coach: Beavers, Inc. >> On Oct 6, 2013 8:38 PM, "FLL Mind Storm Guardian's" < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> It is possible that the answer to my question is among the tremendous >>> amount of data share in the spirit of collaboration among teams. My team >>> is in the process of programming the missions and the kids are having major >>> difficulty using the gyro to make turns. Turns expected to be 90 degrees >>> stop at degrees approximately. Any hints? >>> >>> In addition, I am having no success at all getting the firmware >>> upgraded. When the brick connects quickly informs me to upgrade and >>> provide directions and when I follow the link it takes me to YAHOO. >>> >>> Carlos E >>> Coach FLL Team 8501 >>> AKA - Mind Storm Guardians >>> ------------------------------ >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >>> leave the list". >>> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via >>> VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to >>> subscribe. >> >> ------------------------------ >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >> leave the list". >> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via >> VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. 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