Lloyd, What you describe is not allowable. It's explicitly prohibited in Rule 23, Aiming: You may use a frame/"jig" to aim the robot, but its use must be completely in Base at all times, and you must let go of it prior to starting/restarting. It's also part of a more general prohibition in Rule 20, Sending/Handling Objects Outside Base, because it sounds like the team would be "strategically extending" the object out of Base by hand action. "Aiming" is a strategic action, so only the robot may cause things to be outside Base for strategic purposes. This is different from "Storage" which is not allowed to have strategic (i.e. points-scoring) consequences ever. A "stored" object must be picked up and used entirely within Base before it can be used for strategic purposes. Steve Scherr VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Lloyd O'Hara <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > ** > Steve, > > quick question, we have a quick, straight piece, setup jig, it actually > sits mostly outside base while aiming and then is picked up, and off the > table, before the robot is started, is this outside the rules? > > Thanks, > > Lloyd O'Hara > The Crestwood Monarchs > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Sent:* Sunday, October 27, 2013 1:29 AM > *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] Mesuring start point at base. > > Everything that you use on the field must be made of LEGOs, and must fit > entirely within Base while you use it. > > In addition, your team may look at the markings on the mat. > > Steve Scherr > > On Saturday, October 26, 2013, Prasanna Kumaran wrote: > >> Hi, >> Could any one please answer that if we could use any rules or any other >> kind reference to measure the start point at the base. >> Regards, >> Prasanna. >> ------------------------------ >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >> leave the list". >> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via >> VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit >> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to >> subscribe. > > ------------------------------ > To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or > leave the list". > VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. > Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to > subscribe. > > ------------------------------ > To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or > leave the list". > VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. > Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to > subscribe. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.