good to know, I read the Update below and assumed the ref would do the same if the debris was in the runway. I guess I should not make such assumptions and I should learn to read better. 31 – ROOF DEBRIS CHAOS The referee depends on the final locations of the penalty roof debris pieces as an accounting system. Therefore: If the robot moves a roof debris piece into or out of Lt Blue, the referee will shift it back over the Lt Blue line in the direction it came from. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dannhardt To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Roof Debris & Clear runway Thanks. That is what I thought. I wasn't sure if the first piece of roof debris was on the run way or not. Mike KA4CDN S.L.Compulsion On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Amy Nichols <[log in to unmask]> wrote: You are only deducted 30 pts for the ‘clear runway’, if the penalty is left on the runway at the end of the 2.5 minutes. Our kids incurred a penalty, but their robot pushed it off the runway and they only lost the 10 pts. From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lloyd O'Hara Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:48 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Roof Debris & Clear runway Having had that situation at a tournament yeasterday, I can clarify that for you. Your first touch penalty is costly, not only do you get the 10 point penalty, you also do not get the 30 points for the clear runway. Basically, the first touch penalty will cost the team 40 points. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dannhardt To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:00 AM Subject: [VADCFLL-L] Roof Debris & Clear runway Good morning. I am unclear if touch penalty roof debris placed onto the runway counts against a clear runway score. (I see updates clarifying that roof debris in the Lt Blue zone specifically does not count against). Can anyone clarify for me? Thanks, Coach Mike KA4CDN S.L.Compulsion -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to subscribe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to subscribe. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to subscribe. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to subscribe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.