Recommendation: Be careful about interpreting missions and rules from the videos. Read Rule #5 regarding videos (copied below): http://www.firstlegoleague.org/sites/default/files/Challenge/FLL_WORLD_CLASS/FLL-WORLD-CLASS-Challenge-FINAL-v2.pdf *5 - Precedence/Authority* - You get information about the robot game from more than one place. Once in a while, there is conflict... - So here is the order of precedence for the sources: 1 = CURRENT Robot Game Updates, 2 = Missions and Field Setup, 3 = Rules - If something on a page conflicts with something else on the same page, assume the most sensible interpretation. - If two interpretations seem equal, assume the interpretation most favorable for the team. - *On all pages, videos and pictures are for guidance and example only. Often they can not express complete information, and are therefore misleading. When there is conflict between pictures/videos and text, the text takes precedence!* On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Parvathy Krishnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > I thought the video said you cannot bring the box to the base. Am I > mistaken? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:49 AM, VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > This is a great question to kick of the World Class season! It gives a > chance to demonstrate how to use the Robot Game materials. > > The first thing to know is that the rules and the game change from year to > year. If something was true in a past season, that should only give your > team a hint to look for it in this year's game....! > > In the World Class Rules, Information category, Rule 5, > Precedence/Authority tells us that: > > You get information about the robot game from more than one place. Once in > a while,there is conflict... > So here is the order of precedence for the sources: > 1 = CURRENT Robot Game Updates, 2 = Missions and Field Setup, 3 = Rules > ... > When there is conflict between pictures/videos and text, the text takes > precedence! > > > So, I will always try to cite the text from the Updates, Missions, Field > Setup, and Rules when I discuss a question about the Robot Game. > > In the Philosophy category, Rule 2, Interpretation really gets to the > heart of the question: > Robot game text means exactly and only what it says, so take it literally > whenever possible. > - If a detail isn’t mentioned, then it doesn’t matter. > - There are no hidden requirements or restrictions. If you’ve read > everything, then you know everything. > ...and.... > --You’re encouraged to think this way - Please learn the requirements and > constraints very well, and then realize the many FREEDOMS that are left. > > > Do make sure that your team reads the examples in Rule 2 and discusses > them. It's what makes the Robot Game so much fun--understanding an obeying > the constraints and figuring out something crazy that does a great job > anyway! > > So, yes, if there is nothing special written about the idea model, then > the team may do anything with it within the rules. The required method for > the Thinking Outside the Box mission is that "The box model was never in > Base." As the team recognized, this constraint does not say anything about > the idea model. So, if there's nothing else in the game that limits where > or how the idea model may be moved, then the robot may move that model > anywhere, in any allowable way. > > Steve Scherr > VA-DC FLL Referee Advisor > > P.S. for everyone--See the Critical Warning at the end of the Rules. > Every team wants to have at least one member who is an expert on the game > documents, and the best teams challenge each other to think of ideas and > decide whether they are allowable, and, if not, how to tweak them so that > they are. (But only to use them if they are helpful to the team, of > course!) > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Rick Fontanilla <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > > Our team just had a meeting to discuss the missions. One of the big > > discussions was the Outside the Box mission. Challenge says the idea > > model is no longer touching the box model. The box model was never in > > Base. One of the kids asked if we could bring the idea model to base. I > > said, in the past seasons, if it is not in the rules specifically, then > you can > > do it. > > Does that sound right? > > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or > leave the list". > > > > -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via > VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. 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