Doesn't matter for FLL. I recommend the teacher edition since all functionality is unlocked. On Friday, November 28, 2014, Parvathy Shivaramakrishnan <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hello, > A different question. Our laptop with the EV3 software crashed and now we > need to reinstall it. Do we install the Student Edition of Teacher Edition? > > Thanks > Parvathy > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Gail D. Drake <[log in to unmask] > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: > >> The *robot *is the tool to teach at a higher level. Focus on team >> work, responsibility of 'my piece of a puzzle' sothe entire puzzle can come >> together, problem solving and critical thinking, variability. I prefer to >> raise kids that can be flexible! >> >> >> Respectfully, >> Professor Drake >> Associate Professor Northern Virginia Community College >> ILITE FRC Robotics Coach >> ILITE FTC Robotics Coach >> Robotics Tournament Director >> US Cyber Patriot Coach >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* First Lego League in Virginia and DC <[log in to unmask] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> on behalf >> of Fredrik Nyman <[log in to unmask] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:58 PM >> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> >> *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] TJHSST - RE: [VADCFLL-L] Need Your Help. >> >> These are all very good points, and I am very much aware of how >> frustrating the variability can be. >> >> But even if we were to standardize on manufactured playing fields, >> wouldn't variability still very much be part of the game? Our robots are >> still plastic toys; the motors would still have considerable slop in their >> internal gearing, the color sensors would still be sensitive to >> illumination, and rookie teams would still eyeball their robot's starting >> position in base. All of which are arguably bigger variability issues than >> whether the playing field is made froir pm plywood or particleboard or MDF. >> >> And: what is the point of the robot game? Is it an end in itself, or a >> means -- a way to introduce kids to STEM, give them hands-on experience and >> get them hooked? >> >> If it is an end in itself (much like soccer or football), then by all >> means let's standardize so that each team has the same equipment and plays >> on identical fields. >> >> But if the robot game is a means to STEM, then doesn't the variability >> the kids see in the robot game help them? Helps them identify a problem >> (variability) that's very much a fact of life, think about possible causes >> (table condition, illumination, battery voltage, gearing slack, robot >> starting position...), experiment and figure out how they can minimize each >> factor? And isn't that knowledge going to help them next year, not just >> with the robot game but also with their project since their investigation >> of robot variability is real-world, quantifiable research and an excellent >> introduction to scientific methods? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Haydee Cooper <[log in to unmask] >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: >> >>> I couldn't agree more with Nari that having faulty equipment that >>> introduces a ton of variability is a surefire way to lose young, >>> inexperienced kids from FLL and possibly from STEM altogether. The >>> conclusion that some of them will inevitably reach when their hard work >>> entirely goes to waste during the tournament because a robot that worked >>> perfectly at home doesn't do anything right on the competition table is >>> that this engineering stuff is unpredictable voodoo and that they can't >>> build robots to save their lives. >>> It's also a bit disingenuous for a bunch of experienced engineers to >>> extol the virtues of this kind of trial by fire when the kids don't even >>> have the resources we might have in this kind of situation. They don't >>> generally don't get to try out other tables ahead of time to check for >>> variability. They don't get to turn a 50-hour work week into a 90-hour one >>> when things go wrong--many of them only have a few set hours a week to work >>> for eight weeks. And they don't get to miss deadlines and push back the >>> tournament date. >>> You end up with an inherent survivorship bias. The kids who stick with >>> it (and who might have gone into STEM regardless) learn to master all these >>> details and build a beast of a robot, but in the meantime you've lost a lot >>> of tentative learners who needed encouragement. >>> >>> Haydee >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Fredrik Nyman <[log in to unmask] >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: >>> >>>> What do you mean that FTC is "moving to manufactured tables [...] In a >>>> year or two, so will FLL"? Have FTC and/or FLL officials stated so, or is >>>> it just what you predict will happen? >>>> >>>> My own hope and prediction is that it will not. Or rather, I do hope >>>> that someone will come up with an improved table design, but I would hope >>>> FLL never requires the use of a manufactured, standardized table from an >>>> approved vendor. >>>> >>>> Mind you, I very much agree with you that playing surface variability >>>> is frustrating. But that and all other variability discussed in the other >>>> thread about batteries earlier today is very much part of the game. If you >>>> can get your team towards thinking about variability -- on the differences >>>> from run to run, from table to table, and between practice and tournament >>>> -- you set them up for making important discoveries on their own. Ask them >>>> about the differences they notice (from run to run, from table to table, >>>> and between practice and tournament). Ask them: how can we measure the >>>> differences? Help them set up and run experiments, introducing useful >>>> terms like "hypothesis" and "standard deviation" as you go. >>>> >>>> Once you have quantified the variability, have another brainstorming >>>> session to figure out what you can do to reduce the variability. For the >>>> sports mission, you might challenge your team to design a solution that >>>> doesn't require the ball to bounce on the table. :-) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Anant Narayanan < >>>> [log in to unmask] >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kurt makes a sound argument for adaptibility and bracketing design >>>>> around the set point, but just for the record, there is no FLL requirement >>>>> for use of plywood. The official guidance for building tables, found at >>>>> http://www.firstlegoleague.org/sites/default/files/Challenge/TeamResources/NaturesFury/2013-14TableOnly.pdf >>>>> calls for >>>>> >>>>> "Sanded plywood (or other very smooth board) 96” X 48” X at least >>>>> 3/8” (2438mm X 1219mm X 10mm)." >>>>> >>>>> Under this standard, MDF would qualify (and in fact would be best, >>>>> but for its low moisture resistance unless treated). IMHO, Sterling board >>>>> (OSB/particle board) is rarely smooth enough without lamination/surface >>>>> treatment and should be disfavored. In fact I see no requirement for a >>>>> wood surface -- what we use today is more an artifact of history, rather >>>>> than design. The above document notes that: >>>>> >>>>> "With safety, weight, height, and cost in mind, a simple design is >>>>> offered here, but as long as your surface is smooth, and your border walls >>>>> are sized and located properly, how you build the understructure is up to >>>>> you." >>>>> >>>>> Clearly the focus on making the surface smooth -- a running theme >>>>> throughout the document. The portable table is made of different >>>>> materials. >>>>> >>>>> The other thing to keep in mind is that FTC is moving to >>>>> manufactured tables (from Andy Mark). In a year or two, so will FLL. >>>>> Standardized surfaces offer many advantages -- they make the game day >>>>> experience more predictable, and thus help in the retention of rookie >>>>> teams. A uniform product will let teams focus on the game, and learning >>>>> important skills. >>>>> >>>>> Soccer these days is largely played on synthetic (astroturf) >>>>> surfaces (in our areas). While children in some countries may play >>>>> barefoot, and sadly, in war zones, there may even be kids who lose their >>>>> limbs to land mines while playing sports, I don't think anyone would >>>>> tolerate Darwinian arguments in such contexts. We hardly want a return to >>>>> the Spartan practice of leaving kids out in the cold overnight so that the >>>>> ones who survive strengthened the race. I say this only to make a >>>>> rhetorical point, not to paint anyone as having these thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> Encouraging kids to stick and persist with STEM is hard enough with >>>>> balky robots and sensors to insist on the ritual/tradition of imperfect >>>>> playing surfaces ("This is how we do it in FLL"). A bad table experience >>>>> negates in six hours, what a coach may have spent three-six months in >>>>> training and mentoring. We lose the kids, we lose the coach. often, all >>>>> we have to show is increased entropy. This is called churn in marketing >>>>> speak, and there is entirely too much of it in robotics/FLL. >>>>> >>>>> I feel we need to move beyond this culture of poverty (in thought, >>>>> and in resources). We should not be debating this issue any more -- >>>>> we should spend our energies working towards solutions. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Anant Narayanan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *---------------------------------------------------------- Anant S >>>>> Narayanan Founder & Executive Director* >>>>> >>>>> *McLean Robotics Institute* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * McLean VA 22102 202-421-3826 <202-421-3826> (cell) >>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------* >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Curt Tran <[log in to unmask] >>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Jerry, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> “The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away” Job 1:21. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So TJ has finally fixed their entrance exam to really accommodate >>>>>> FLL. This teaches our kids another lesson in that the “perfect” world >>>>>> never stays the same! Okay, so let’s talk a little about FLL before >>>>>> someone complaint! During the Falls Church tournament, some coaches have >>>>>> brought up the subject of the blue ball not bouncing as well on the >>>>>> tournament tables. This is due to the material makeup of the table >>>>>> surface. The FLL spec calls for plywood, and if anyone out there is using >>>>>> OSB board, your team will have a lot of discovery during the tournament. >>>>>> Even, if everyone is using plywood, the thickness will make a lot of >>>>>> different. The spec only specifies 96” X 48” plywood, but mute on the >>>>>> thickness so if a team mission was relying on the ball bouncing a certain >>>>>> way are the kids out of luck or can they adjust! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> An interesting lesson for the kids to learn about bouncing ball and >>>>>> the unexpected is the recent landing of the ESA’s Philae probe (robot). >>>>>> The unexpected bounces of Philae on the Comet 67P put it into a place where >>>>>> no one could ever expect. Read more on BBC at: >>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-30083969. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To all our coaches, thank you for guiding and teaching the children >>>>>> this FLL season. They are an outstanding bunch of kids and are all winners >>>>>> in our book. To those teams that advancing to State, good lucks and have >>>>>> FUN in Harrisonburg. Make those hotel reservations quickly or they will >>>>>> run out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For all other teams, the season does not end here. There are more to >>>>>> learn and teach other about your FLL experiences, so you can come back and >>>>>> tell our judges all about it next year. For those moving on to high >>>>>> schools, there are FTC and FRC that they should look into. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Let’s go and build another Philae, and never give up! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Best wishes,* >>>>>> >>>>>> *T. (Curt) Tran* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Judge Advisor, MEH Falls Church Regional ’13, ’14* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Judge Advisor, GMU Regional ’11, ’12 & ’13* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Judge Advisor, TJHSST Regional ’09* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Mentor Team #5390, Kilmer-I ’09* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Mentor Team #8941, Kilmer-II ’09* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Coach Team #324, Scitobor ’08* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Coach Team #3563, Rabid Llama Lords ’07* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* First Lego League in Virginia and DC [mailto: >>>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Jerry >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:43 AM >>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] TJHSST - RE: [VADCFLL-L] Need Your Help. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> FYI - tj no longer has a written portion I the examination so the >>>>>> blessing is moot. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 11:16 PM, Curt Tran <[log in to unmask] >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marin, Jeff, Lakshmi and everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay here is the Secret in the “accidental” design of FLL & TJ! >>>>>> Every year, it’s a coincident that both the TJ entrance exam and the FLL >>>>>> State tournament in Virginia occurred during the first weekend of >>>>>> December. For this reason many 8th graders might have decided not >>>>>> to compete in FLL during their final year to focus on the TJ test. >>>>>> However, for those students that are pursuing TJ admittance, winning >>>>>> regional and advanced to State during their 8th grade is more >>>>>> critical than winning it during 7th or 6th grades. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> TJ admission has made it very clear that they do not make any >>>>>> exception for students missing their entrance exam. Unless you are sick >>>>>> and bed ridden, they will not let you make up the exam. However, every >>>>>> year TJ makes the only one exception for those students that have to travel >>>>>> to JMU to compete for the State FLL tournament. TJ will excuse those >>>>>> students from the second portion of the exam so they can travel to >>>>>> Harrisonburg to be on time for their competition. They will just take the >>>>>> first portion of the exam and allow making up the writing portion at a >>>>>> later date. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Some students might not like deferring their essay portion to a later >>>>>> date, but this is a blessing in disguised. If asked by these students, >>>>>> FIRST will compile a list of their names and send it to TJ asking for >>>>>> testing accommodation. The list of name is typically handled by the TJ >>>>>> admission director personally every year to make sure that they receive >>>>>> accommodation for early release from testing. So why does TJ makes this >>>>>> special accommodation you might ask, TJ is the Governor’s school for >>>>>> science and technology. They are out to select the most qualified science >>>>>> and technology students in Virginia for admission. How qualify can one be >>>>>> if their team won FIRST’s FLL regional tournament and have made it to >>>>>> State. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> FIRST is one of the top STEM program in the nation and advancing to >>>>>> State is a high honor for these students. Although TJ does not accept >>>>>> outside recommendation for applicants, but how cool can it be that your >>>>>> name is on a very short list of name from FIRST that is being personally >>>>>> handle by the director of admission. I’m not saying that the students will >>>>>> get into TJ just because they are on this short list, but it shows how much >>>>>> TJ has valued FIRST’s programs and has honored those students that have >>>>>> advanced to the FLL State tournament. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So having an opportunity to skip the second part of the TJ entrance >>>>>> exam is really a blessing in disguised for our 8th graders! If >>>>>> anyone still have question on little mistakes that the kids should try to >>>>>> avoid on their TJ application just e-mail me and I will try to reply off >>>>>> list since that is not really related to FLL. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> Curt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 12:28 PM >>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] TJHSST - RE: [VADCFLL-L] Need Your Help. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Curt, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm curious to hear the TJ secret. We have a sibling who is applying >>>>>> for TJ this year. He's competed in LEGO and VEX before. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Marin >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Curt Tran <[log in to unmask] >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Niketa, >>>>>> >>>>>> Congratulation! Make sure the kids go to the FLL State tournament; >>>>>> it’s the best thing that can ever happen to any TJHSST hopeful! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is one of that real world FLL “accidental” in design for >>>>>> Virginia FLL and our TJHSST bound students. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Once you have registered, the State will try to schedule all your >>>>>> team’s events in the later part of day to accommodate their TJ test! And >>>>>> even if the schedule is still too tight for your team when it comes out, >>>>>> there will be many Coopertition® FLL teams that will swap their >>>>>> judging schedules with you (with our scheduler at State final approval for >>>>>> the swap, of course) . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If any TJHSST hopefuls out there still have not find Coach Katarina’s >>>>>> secret message about VA FLL and TJ, please e-mail me, and I will spill the >>>>>> TJ secret. (I cannot locate her secret message on the website either!) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Best wishes,* >>>>>> >>>>>> *T. (Curt) Tran* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Judge Advisor, MEH Falls Church Regional ’13, ’14* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Judge Advisor, GMU Regional ’11, ’12 & ’13* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Judge Advisor, TJHSST Regional ’09* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Mentor Team #5390, Kilmer-I ’09* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Mentor Team #8941, Kilmer-II ’09* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Coach Team #324, Scitobor ’08* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Coach Team #3563, Rabid Llama Lords ’07* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* First Lego League in Virginia and DC [mailto: >>>>>> [log in to unmask] >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>] *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Kent and Anne Meyer >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 11:21 AM >>>>>> *To:* [log in to unmask] >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] Need Your Help. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't worry, Niketa. This happens every year and the tournament knows >>>>>> how to handle it. Contact Nick Swayne or Dustin Skelton about exactly what >>>>>> you need to do. Congrats on your success! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Anne Meyer >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:44 AM, niketa ganju <[log in to unmask] >>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Everyone. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a coach of rookie Team - The Master Builders- 4636. We are from >>>>>> Fairfax county We are lucky to be selected for the State Championship. >>>>>> Unfortunately 5 out of my 8 team members are appearing for the entrance >>>>>> test of Thomas Jefferson High School on December 6th. The time schedule for >>>>>> the test is from 8 am till 12 am. The kids can be at the tournament >>>>>> location by 2 pm. We are Division 2 team. The kids really want to >>>>>> participate in the tournament as it is their first time. I would really >>>>>> appreciate if anyone can let me know whom should I contact to reschedule >>>>>> our team's events. The deadline to register is tomorrow and we are really >>>>>> worried that we might not be able to participate if we are not allowed to >>>>>> reschedule our events. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any help would be really appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Niketa ganju- Coach of The Master Builders- 4636. >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >>>>>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >>>>>> leave the list". >>>>>> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via >>>>>> VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. 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