More than two mini figures attached to the Apprenticeship model is fine--as long as you don't bring copies of the two people in this year's kit (Update 30). Steve Scherr VA-DC FLL Referee Advisor On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Fredrik Nyman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Sure thing. Minifigs are Regular Elements (Rule 18). > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Hal Swetnam <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> So you can have more than 2 mini figures attached to the apprenticeship >> structure (your own 2 and 2 others?) >> >> Brick Bandits >> >> On Nov 10, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Fredrik Nyman <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >> Yes, that is correct. >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Frank Levine <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> If I understand the rules correctly, our model can have non-FLL minifigs >>> attached as well. The FLL provided ones need to be attached at the >>> tournament. >>> >>> Correct? >>> >>> -Frank >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Fredrik Nyman <[log in to unmask] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, use the mini figures provided. >>>> >>>> Your team builds and brings a model. Once at the table, they attach the >>>> figures provided to the model and get points for that. >>>> >>>> I am guessing that the reason they aren't supposed to bring figures and >>>> balls is to reduce chaos and kids and coaches inadvertently walking >>>> off with mission models from the tables. >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 10, 2014, Hal Swetnam <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi there >>>>> just trying to figure out the rules on Apprenticeship. Are you saying >>>>> that to get the full 35 points the team has to use the mini figures >>>>> provided by the tournament? I thought they could bring their own? Is it a >>>>> matter of getting full points? >>>>> Thanks for any clarification. Here was the latest update we saw: >>>>> >>>>> 30 – APPRENTICESHIP PEOPLE, WHITE CIRCLE Update 25 was meant to remind >>>>> you about Rule 18, Exception 2. You ARE allowed to arrive with people as >>>>> part of your model, if they aren’t duplicates of this year’s mission model >>>>> people. (Clarification of Update 25) Of the two interpretations of what >>>>> could be meant by “white circle,” area vs perimeter, the area is what >>>>> matters. So if your model ends up touching only the interior, and not the >>>>> edge, that’s okay. (Apprenticeship clarification) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> The Brick Bandits >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 9, 2014, at 11:32 PM, VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We had 8 FLL tournaments in Virginia this weekend, and it looks like >>>>> teams had a great time. I know that the referees were impressed at all the >>>>> creative solutions teams found to accomplish their selected missions, and >>>>> I've heard good things from the judges too. I hope that the week 1 >>>>> activity during core values judging helped to raise everyone's expectations! >>>>> >>>>> There a few things that surprised some teams at the robot game tables, >>>>> that I would like to give teams a heads-up about. >>>>> >>>>> First a reminder--don't trust any pictures or video unless the text of >>>>> the Robot Game agrees with them. According to Rule 5: >>>>> >>>>> "When there is conflict between pictures/videos and text, the text >>>>> takes precedence!" >>>>> >>>>> 1) Engagement mission setup >>>>> According to the Field Setup, and Game Update 5, the engagement >>>>> pinwheel setup is with its red arm up. (That means that the main body of >>>>> the arm points straight up.) Both pictures on pages 10 and 29 are >>>>> incorrect. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Bouncing the Sports Ball >>>>> Teams at several tournaments discovered that the blue ball may not >>>>> bounce the same on competition or practice tables as it does on the table >>>>> that they practiced on. I know that at some tournaments, there was a >>>>> mixture of behaviors among both the competition and practice tables. We're >>>>> sorry about this unexpected behavior, but it is covered by Rule 4, >>>>> Variability, and no team will know what to expect until they get to the >>>>> table. >>>>> >>>>> 3) Ramming the Door >>>>> As described in the mission and rules, the team doesn't get points >>>>> for opening the door by ramming it and breaking it. You must push down on >>>>> the handle to allow the door to open. >>>>> >>>>> 4) Loop in the Senses mission >>>>> Update 32 was a little too subtle about the loop in the Using the >>>>> Right Senses mission. The mission requirement is that the loop is >>>>> "released" only by pushing the slider. The update says not to expect the >>>>> the loop will be "ejected" by using the slider. The update is also trying >>>>> to say that "release" means "to allow to be moved or taken", so, once your >>>>> robot pushes the slider to lift the weight out of the way, the robot is >>>>> allowed to remove the loop from the model. >>>>> >>>>> 5) Reverse Engineering--making the original model during setup >>>>> Your team is required to build an original model out of all 6 >>>>> pieces when they get to the table, even if they don't plan to do the >>>>> Reverse Engineering. See the Field Setup, and Updates 14 and 24. The two >>>>> Robot Handlers are the only ones allowed to build the model. Being >>>>> prepared for this is part of being a Gracious Professional. >>>>> >>>>> 6) Apprenticeship--try it out! >>>>> If your team isn't doing the Apprenticeship mission, they really >>>>> should take a look at Update 7 >>>>> >>>>> 7) Apprenticeship People >>>>> As discussed earlier today, your team is required to use the >>>>> people at the table in order to score full points on the Apprenticeship >>>>> mission. >>>>> >>>>> 8) Kidnapping >>>>> Please be careful, both at the competition tables and the practice >>>>> tables, that you don't take any mission models, such as the people or the >>>>> blue ball. If you discover them, take them back immediately. Removing >>>>> them hurts other teams, and thus is against Gracious Professionalism. >>>>> You shouldn't bring the Apprenticeship people from your practice >>>>> kit, and you should avoid bringing any blue balls, if at all possible. >>>>> Tournament volunteers will think that they belong to the tournament kits, >>>>> and will ask you to hand them over. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes to all FLL teams in the upcoming weeks! >>>>> >>>>> Steve Scherr >>>>> Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor >>>>> >>>>> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.