What if the robot put a catcher for the compost at the compost station, go away and return later to retrieve it? Is this considered as stranding? On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:38 PM, VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > As a referee, I have to be very precise in the words that I use. There > can be as many as 12 Black Bars that will score negative points. You might > consider them all penalties, but only 4 of them are officially Penalty > objects. What is the difference? The Penalty objects have to stay on the > mat, but the robot can try to do things with the other Black Bars to make > them worth positive points. > > Steve Scherr > Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor > > On Thursday, October 15, a team wrote: > >> What about the black bars which are part of mission models, like >> demolition and toybox. If team fails to put them in sorter or trashbin on >> east side of mat, will there be seprate penalty? Or at any given time team >> can have maximum 4 penalty. >> Please clarify. >> Thanks >> On Oct 14, 2015 9:30 PM, "VA-DC Referee Advisor" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Yes, that's right. See the "Penalties" description in the Missions >>> >>> 1. >>> >>> Penalties – For each Penalty as described in Rule D09, the Ref will >>> place one Black Bar on the Mat in a convenient out-of- the-way place, not >>> to exceed four Bars. The Ref may shift them out of the Robot’s way as >>> needed, but they must always stay in a negative scoring position. >>> >>> The referee will assess a maximum of four Interruption and Junk >>> Penalties on the Robot and Equipment in a match. After the maximum of four >>> Black Bars have been placed on the mat because of a Penalty, the team can >>> rescue the Robot by an Interruption without any additional scoring >>> penalty. Models are still susceptible to being taken out of play because >>> of an Interruption, or because of Stranding. >>> >>> The scoring value of each Black Bar placed as a penalty is Minus 8 per >>> Bar, as described in M04, Sorting. The bars are no longer in their >>> original Setup position (which was off the mat with the Referee) and may >>> not be moved into a Green Bin or the Landfill. >>> >>> Steve Scherr >>> Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor. >>> >> ------------------------------ > To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or > leave the list". > VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. > Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to > subscribe. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.