+8 Points *M04 - Sorting* (Extract) Black bars are (bars score independently)… –– *Value:* 8 Per Bar part of a scoring Flower Box, or* in their original Setup position*. ––* Value: *3 Per Bar in their matching Green Bin, or in the Landfill Bin. –– *Value:* Minus 8 Per Bar anywhere else. *Method Constraint:* Bars must only enter Green Bins directly from the Sorter’s east chute or CAREERS BONUS… On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Thomas (Tweeks) Weeks < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > I'm confused.. Are the undisturbed black bars really worth +8 points ea.. > > or just zero (non-negative) points? > > > Tweeks > ------------------------------ > *From:* First Lego League in Virginia and DC <[log in to unmask]> > on behalf of VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2015 9:20 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] Junk and Penalties > > Yes, if the robot doesn't touch/disturb the non-penalty Black Bars, then > they ought to be in their original setup position, and they are worth +8 > points each at the end of the match. So are the Penalty object Black Bars, > if the referee still has them. > > There are 12 Black Bars that are part of the Field Setup (4 in the > building, 4 with the Referee, 2 in the Sorter's red hopper, 2 in the Large > Package.) Each of them will be counted during scoring. If you don't cause > any of them to move, then they are worth +96 total. If all four penalties > are assessed, and you dump the rest in a pile in Base, then they are > probably worth -96 points total. M04 tells you what point value each has > based on where it is at the end of the match. > > Steve Scherr > Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Bernie Goltermann < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Regarding " black pieces (non-penalty pieces) still counted (against >> you) if they're in safety/base? Or is getting them to the landfill the only >> way to keep them from negatively impacting your score?" >> >> I also see that it states under M04 – Sorting, Black bars are (bars score >> independently)... – Value 8 Per Bar part of a scoring Flower Box, or in >> their original Setup position. "or in their original Setup position." >> seems to say if you don't touch the non-penalty black pieces, they don't >> count against you but for you. Is this right? >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2015 4:14 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [VADCFLL-L] Junk and Penalties >> >> A Black Bar that ends up in Safety/Base may still be counted as negative >> points during scoring. It will be counted for negative points unless it >> meets one of the requirements of M04 Sorting that say that it will be >> scored as positive points. >> >> Steve Scherr >> Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor >> >> P.S. Two of the four ways to have Black Bars scored for positive points >> won't be happening if they are in Safety.... >> > ------------------------------ > To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or > leave the list". > VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. > Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to > subscribe. > ------------------------------ > To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit > https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or > leave the list". > VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. > Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to > subscribe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.