I should emphasize that THE VIDEO IS GUARANTEED TO BE WRONG ABOUT THE GAME.

Rule GP5--Info Precedence
  Pictures and video have no standing, except when referred to by text in #1, #2, or #3.


Note that the Robot Game Update also reminds you of this
The robot game video is misleading about this – sorry – this is why Rule GP5 tells you to pay attention to TEXT and NOT VIDEO.

The teams that are most successful at the Robot Game, re-read and review the Rules, Missions, Update, and Field Setup frequently.  Once you've been doing things for a while, going back to the text can show you problems or give you new ideas.

Steve Scherr
Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor

P.S.  I did finally watch the video last night, just for fun.  I didn't need to, since saying "I saw it in the video" will never help a team succeed in a discussion with the referee.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Thomas (Tweeks) Weeks <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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yup. and after sending this email.. I saw how more "legal ways" of doing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsgnG0o7Ons


I'll have the kids re-read that set of rules.


Thanks


Tweeks

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Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 10:54 AM
To: Thomas (Tweeks) Weeks
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Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Collecting Demolition Bars
 
The one thing I noticed in this video is that it stresses that you must push the red lever to demo the building.  The rules state:
 "Basic Mission Description: Demolish the Building and decide what to do with the materials.
●● Specific physical requirement, visible at the end of the match:
• Value: 85 None of the Building’s twelve beams is left standing in Setup position.

There is no specific mention of the red lever, so, it is not a requirement.

Also, the rules state: 
R12 – Launching – A proper Launch (or re-Launch) goes like this:
●● Ready Situation
• Your Robot and everything related to its next Autonomous period are arranged as desired and all completely
contained within and under the limits of BASE.
• The Ref can see that nothing in Base is moving, and that you’re not touching anything.
●● Activation Method Options
• ACTIVE: Reach with one hand and touch a button or signal a sensor to prompt a program.
• PASSIVE: Do nothing and allow a running program to resume.
SPECIAL CASE: Match Start – In this case, the exact time to Launch is the beginning of the last word/sound in the
countdown, such as “Ready, set, GO!” or BEEEEP!
●● The properly Launched/re-Launched Robot is Autonomous until you Interrupt it.
●● Every change completely outside Safety caused by the Robot stays that way.
●● Except: The Robot may change its own changes.
●● You are not allowed to cause anything to leave or even extend out of Base except by Launching/re-Launching.
●● If you accidentally propel something out of Base, that’s okay to recover immediately without disturbing the Field.

Therefore, extending something from base that is not attached to the robot is not allowed.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Thomas (Tweeks) Weeks <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hey all..


So we were watching this video on collecting the bars for the demolition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlQuRggmyg0

(see 1:34)


and were wondering.. how involved can the operator be in the deployment of a gathering gate like that?


Rules state:

● You are not allowed to cause anything to leave or even extend out of Base except by Launching/re-Launching.


Does this mean that the robot MUST launch a collection arm into the field like that.. or can an operator set up the arm to passively "fall" (from base) into the field?


Tweeks


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