nevermind - just re-read your answer again. We'll read and re-read the rule and confer w/ the ref at the tournament. If there is a chair or table, that will also do. -Frank On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Frank Levine <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thanks Steve, > So if I'm reading it right, there should be no problem if they want to > store their attachments in the West Transfer area, provided that it has no > strategic value (other than being out of the way and nearby). If so, we'll > practice it that way. > > Thanks, > Frank Levine > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:49 PM, VA-DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> Yes, we include all items that the team has control of, including mission >> Models in Safety, as being "allowable things" for purposes of R11. >> >> Most tournaments will try to have a small table or a chair available for >> your team's use in storing items. Teams can put a storage bin or box there. >> >> Scott Shumway is correct; items in the team's control and off the Field >> should count as being in Safety during scoring. But it's always clearest >> when they are nearby. >> >> My reading of R11 would not allow putting items in the West Transfer Area >> for storage, since that isn't "adjacent" to Safety. >> (Actually, my reading of R11 is pretty narrow, requiring that storing >> something that "extend[s]" out of Safety means that it has to also be >> partially in Safety, but I recognize that that is kind of a subtle point.) >> >> Also, in my years in FLL, we've never allowed a non-LEGO bin to be placed >> on the Field during a match. I think that most referees would require a >> team to remove any Equipment from the bin and store the items >> individually. Using the bin for transport to the table is perfectly fine, >> of course. >> >> Steve Scherr >> Virginia-DC FLL Referee Advisor >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Scott H. Shumway < >> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Our tournament tables had little folding tables next to them for storage >>> of such things. While I agree the rules you reference appear to allow what >>> you request, the "final" decision will be up to the head referee at your >>> tournament. >>> >>> As for articles that come back, it would be best to keep them in safety >>> or with the technicians. Putting them on the table outside of safety runs >>> the risk of them. It being scored if a) you leave them there, b) the ref >>> didn't see them enter safety with the robot, or c) the ref invoking R14 >>> Stranding and making it stay out of safety. In general the refs do an >>> excellent job of paying attention and giving benefit of the doubt, but you >>> should be allowed to remove those items from the table and keep them with >>> the technicians. This is usually considered still "in safety" at the end of >>> the match. >>> >>> Maybe not as warm fuzzy as you'd hoped for, but hopefully it helps! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Shumway >>> >>> >>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 9:01 PM, Frank Levine <[log in to unmask] >>> <[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> We are going through final rehearsals for our tournament tonight and a >>> question came up. We use a tupperware bin to hold all of our attachments >>> during the match. The technicians would like to place that bin in the West >>> Transfer area during the match so they can both be free to do their jobs. >>> Assuming that we do not use the West Transfer area, is that allowed? My >>> reading of Rule R11 says that it is... >>> >>> *R11 – Workspace and Storage * >>> ● ON THE FIELD: Handling and storage of allowable things may extend out >>> of Safety, into adjacent irrelevant Field space only if specific actions >>> and locations are completely non-strategic. >>> ● OFF THE FIELD: Equipment and Models are not allowed on the floor. >>> >>> Given the delicate choreography that they are rehearsing (both kids >>> have specific actions to perform between missions) we would like to get a >>> warm-fuzzy that this will not be a problem at the tournament. >>> >>> A followup that I have - As articles come back from missions (bars, >>> compost, toys, etc) do they need to stay in safety, or do they fall under >>> the "allowable things" definition of R11. Obviously they have to be in >>> safety at the end of the match, this is more about what they do with them >>> during the actual match. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Frank Levine >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >>> leave the list". >>> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via >>> VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to >>> subscribe. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or >>> leave the list". >>> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via >>> VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. 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