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I'm curious about this as well.  When we go over the yellow guide walls on 
our field mat, we aren't damaging them.  So should we change our plan b/c 
others are or it might happen at the tournament?   We wouldn't be aware of 
the potential damage if we weren't listening in on the listserv.  Maybe we 
will have a "Plan B" ready just in case?

Cari N




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Roberts" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems


> Hmm.  I have to admit that one of the strategies my team is considering
> involves driving over the walls.  I didn't see anything in the rules that
> preclude this but I wonder if they did this and the wall got damaged could
> that be ruled "deliberate" damage?  or would it only be deliberate if they
> clearly intended to damage them (e.g. "bulldozing" or otherwise knocking
> them out of the way)?
>
> Is this something that should be submitted to the Q&A blog?
>
> - glenn
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems
>
> I wouldn't worry about accidental damage. The general rule is that it's
> gotta look deliberate and/or play into the team's strategy (I guess that
> would imply deliberate). I.e., if your robot tries to make points by going
> over the guide walls, knocking them down in the process, that would 
> probably
> NOT be acceptable. If they're known to be fragile and they fall over when
> bumped, it's as likely to hurt as help, and is not (or at least should not
> be) penalizable (hmm, apparently that's not a word, but you know what I
> mean!).
>
> And yes, sometimes they will be glued -- but you can't count on that,
> either.
> -- 
> Phil Smith III
> Virginia State Judge Advisor, 2007, 2008, 2009
> Judge Advisor, Northern Virginia Regional tournaments, 2007, 2008
> Division 1 Judge Advisor, Virginia State tournament, 2006
>
> Coach, The Capital Girls, Oak Hill (retired)
> Team 1900 (2002)
> Team 2497 (2003)
> Team 2355 (2004)
> Team 1945 (2005)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eric Palmer
> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:06 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems
>
> I'll have to go back and read the rule again about if we damage the guide
> walls unintentionally. They are just a fragile design.  But if the walls 
> are
> not solid it may change the behavior of the robots and the time it takes 
> for
> the judges to piece them together may be a factor.
>
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