There is no reason in the challenge not to drive over the walls, especially
if the robot can reliably orient itself.

Something that looks like "bulldozing" the walls will get a comment from the

A robot getting hung up on the wall and damaging it or detaching it from the
table is just an unfortunate occurrence (It might get a sigh from the ref,


On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:07:50 -0400, Glenn Roberts <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Hmm.  I have to admit that one of the strategies my team is considering
>involves driving over the walls.  I didn't see anything in the rules that
>preclude this but I wonder if they did this and the wall got damaged could
>that be ruled "deliberate" damage?  or would it only be deliberate if they
>clearly intended to damage them (e.g. "bulldozing" or otherwise knocking
>them out of the way)?
>Is this something that should be submitted to the Q&A blog?
>- glenn
>-----Original Message-----
>From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Smith III
>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:46 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems
>I wouldn't worry about accidental damage. The general rule is that it's
>gotta look deliberate and/or play into the team's strategy (I guess that
>would imply deliberate). I.e., if your robot tries to make points by going
>over the guide walls, knocking them down in the process, that would probably
>NOT be acceptable. If they're known to be fragile and they fall over when
>bumped, it's as likely to hurt as help, and is not (or at least should not
>be) penalizable (hmm, apparently that's not a word, but you know what I
>And yes, sometimes they will be glued -- but you can't count on that,
>Phil Smith III
>Virginia State Judge Advisor, 2007, 2008, 2009
>Judge Advisor, Northern Virginia Regional tournaments, 2007, 2008
>Division 1 Judge Advisor, Virginia State tournament, 2006
>Coach, The Capital Girls, Oak Hill (retired)
>Team 1900 (2002)
>Team 2497 (2003)
>Team 2355 (2004)
>Team 1945 (2005)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: First Lego League in Virginia and DC
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eric Palmer
>Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 10:06 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Guide wall problems
>I'll have to go back and read the rule again about if we damage the guide
>walls unintentionally. They are just a fragile design.  But if the walls are
>not solid it may change the behavior of the robots and the time it takes for
>the judges to piece them together may be a factor.

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