From: shelley park <[log in to unmask]>Date: October 9, 2009 8:47:53 PM EDTTo: Lisa Tessman <[log in to unmask]>Subject: Re: Kids and FEAST, & FL's anti-gay lawsThank you for this Lisa,Yes, I am also appalled by FLs legislative and judicial decisions on gay families and gay rights (which affect me directly as a resident of FL).But, I agree thata) moral puritanism is simply not an option, as there is nowhere in the U.S. (and probably nowhere else either, although frankly Canadian locations might better pass the litmus tests than U.S. locales) where we aren't going to find a record of injustices on issues of gender, race, sexual orientation, class, dis/ability, age, etc. andb) we do not serve ourselves well by litmus tests that prioritize boycotting one form of oppression over another, andc) whatever we decide in terms not only of locations, but certainly in terms of public statements on behalf of FEAST should reflect a consensus among the membership (or at least a majority of such).Outrage is simple. Making decisions about how to select locations that better serve our principles than others is a rather messier matter. (I thank Joan Tronto, Bonnie Mann and others for taking on this project and reaching a decision we've been unable to reach for several years, but lets not get carried away in thinking that we're not still, as is always the case, making compromises.)ShelleyDr Shelley ParkAssociate Professor of PhilosophyUniversity of Central Florida
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Lisa Tessman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
This is an interesting idea. Let me mention a few things, though (the first two I am pointing out as chair of the steering committee; the third point is just a point I want to make personally):1) We have voted to move the conference to Illinois (and away from FL) for 2011; we have not decided to never have the conference in FL again (or to not have the conference in FL until FL changes some of its laws). . Our intention was to consider rotating the conference through two or three locations. We may of course decide not to rotate it, or at least not to have that rotation include FL, but this would need to be decided by a vote of the membership. And, we will be hypocritical if we issue a statement and then four or six years down the road return to FL (even if the laws have not changed).2) Even if we do decide not to hold the conference in FL again (or until the objectionable laws change), we would still need a vote of the membership to decide whether or not to issue a position statement (the APA does this when it issues such statements).3) Of course I think the FL anti-gay laws are terrible (and my own family is vulnerable in FL because of these laws). But it is hard to be a a moral purist about anything like this, since there are many moral reasons to support/withdraw support from something (a state, an institution, etc). Anywhere we locate the conference, we will be compromising on something (e.g. we have chosen a hotel that pays its workers less well than the Sheraton Sand Key). So, are we choosing to prioritize condemning FL's anti-gay laws through our choice of venue, when there may be something else of equal or greater (or incommensurable) importance? It might be right to prioritize our condemnation of FL's anti-gay laws, but I am just suggesting that we should have a (difficult) conversation about FEAST's values and how to weigh them before we act automatically.Lisa
On Oct 9, 2009, at 4:15 PM, Keller, Jean wrote:
FEAST steering committee and FEAST members,
Reading these articles makes me think, could/should FEAST write up a position statement explaining our recent decision to no longer hold our conference in the state of Florida, and point to Florida's anti-gay policies as a prime reason for this decision (and refer to this case). My thought is this statement could explain our principled objections and also document the financial impact to the state of Florida of our decision, and then send a copy of it as a letter to the editor to some local Florida papers, chambers of commerce, perhaps some key Florida legislators.
It's perhaps a small way to weigh in on this, but if other groups follow suit, it may have some impact.
Jean
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Thank you, Bonnie, Joan, and Alison. --Claudia
Alison Jaggar wrote:
Yes, you speak for me Joan. Even though I too have loved the beach.Thank you Bonnie.Alison.On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Callahan, Joan <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:I'd like to thank Bonnie for bringing the Janice Langbehn/LisaPond case to the attention of FEAST-L subscribers. Over all theseyears I, too, have enjoyed the Clearwater location without reallygiving thought to Florida politics on the matter of gay familiesand the importance of attending to such politics in deciding wherea group such as FEAST should meet. Bonnie has fought long andhard for this change, which is well justified on more than oneground. I, for one, am very grateful to her for sticking with thestruggle.JoanOn 10/7/09 11:47 AM, "Bonnie Mann" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:Hey Everyone,Much appreciation to Zoe for writing. Maybe this will help herand the other kids feel better about the decision to move thelocation. For those of us who live at a great distance from theFlorida location, bringing our children is not a possibility. Ihave four daughters, none of whom has ever been able to accompanyme to FEAST because I could never afford the massive airfare costsfrom Oregon. So also from a kids perspective, this is an issue offairness. The location (as does any location) makes thingspossible for families who live closer that are not possible forfamilies who live further. I must also say that kids withadoptive lesbian parents are disadvantaged by the Floridalocation--and I know that many lesbians have brought theirchildren to Florida. As an adoptive lesbian parent I wouldhesitate very much to bring my children to Florida. If that seemsodd, just a reminder (below... I pulled it off a website) aboutwhat happened to Janice Langehn and Lisa P!on!d's children, who happened to be in Florida for a cruise when oneof their mothers had a fatal stroke. I hope that the new sitewill be child friendly, but it is important to acknowledge thatthe old site was only friendly for some families and not forothers. So my children, over all the years I've been attendingFEAST (since early on, except for this year), have missed out.They've never been able to come.Florida Federal Court Dismisses Lawsuit of Lesbian DeniedInformation About and Visitation with Dying Partner in ERhttp://www.blogher.com/florida-federal-court-dismisses-lawsuit-lesbian-denied-information-about-and-visitation-dying-partne
A few days ago, a U.S. District Court for Southern Floridadismissed Janice Langbehn's case against the Public Health Trustof Miami-Dade County, Jackson Memorial Hospital and 3 doctors. Forthose unfamiliar with, or don't remember Janice's story I'll giveyou quick synopses.In February 2007, Janice Langbehn, Lisa Pond, and their 3 childrentraveled to Florida for an R Family Cruise. But before the shipleft port, Lisa collapsed and had to be rushed to a hospital.Janice and their children followed, arriving shortly after. Thehospital refused to take information about Lisa's medical historyfrom Janice, even after a copy of Power of Attorney had been faxedto the hospital. Janice and the children were not given anyinformation about Lisa, and were denied visitation even after thedoctor had indicated that there was no medical reason Lisa couldnot have visitors. In the mean time, other families, includingchildren, were taken back to visit with patients in the traumaunit. The only visitation Janice was allowed in the ER, was 5minutes while the priest to delivered last rites. At some pointduring the ordeal, Janice was told by a social worker that she wasin an anti-gay state and city, and she would not be acknowledgedas family. Apparently, t!ha!t went for their adopted children too.When Lisa was finally moved from the ER to a non-trauma room inthe hospital, Janice was not notified. She had to find out fromLisa's sister, who was told by the hospital staff when shearrived. It was more than hour after Lisa had been moved. Yes,Lisa's sister had more rights than her partner of 18 years did.Later, Dade County Examiner and the State of Florida both deniedJanice a death certificate, which she needed for life insuranceand social security benefits for the children.The court ruling, says the trauma unit does not have andobligation to allow the patient's family, health care surrogate,or other visitors, access to the patient. And since she wasallowed in for the 5 minutes of last rites, that's good enough (mywords). The ruling found that since she was briefly consultedtwice, the Power of Attorney had not been denied or ignored. Theruling also stated that there was not enough evidence to show afiduciary relationship. This has some bearing as to why it'sjustifiable under the law to keep loved ones apart, but I don'tunderstand why. Since I am not a lawyer, and all of this legalspeak makes eyes glaze over, this is about as much as I got out ofreading the ruling. For a more in depth discussion of the rulingand it's implications, check out Leonard Links post Federal JudgeDismisses Tort Claims Against Florida Hospital and Staff WhoFailed to Accord Compassionate Treatment to Life Partner of DyingLesbian.On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:58:54 -0400, Sally Scholz<[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
wrote:Thanks Zoe and Anna! For what it is worth, my two kids weresimilarly disappointed. The Florida location was a nice place tobring families. We are trying to keep an open mind and hoping thatthe Illinois location will also be a nice place for kids too.I was particularly delighted to see Zoe's letter-- I admire hercourage and pluck in writing.-----Original Message-----From: Feminist ethics and social theory[mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of FEAST-Lautomatic digest systemSent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:04 AMTo: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: FEAST-L Digest - 5 Oct 2009 to 6 Oct 2009 (#2009-147)There is 1 message totalling 53 lines in this issue.Topics of the day:1. change of location for next FEAST----------------------------------------------------------------------Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:15 -0400From: Anna Stubblefield <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>Subject: Re: change of location for next FEASTI want to thank all of the organizers for a wonderful FEAST a coupleof weeks ago! I enjoy this conference so much!My daughter, who accompanied me to FEAST this year and in 2007 isvery, very sad that the conference will not be in Florida again nexttime. I tried to explain to her the political reasons behind thedecision to try a new location, as you will see from her messagebelow, although she does not yet grasp the implication of harm beingdone that is not directly to an individual (we'll work on that). Iconfess being very torn myself between loving the Floridalocation, inpart but not totally because it is a great place to bring mydaughter,and agreeing with the political concerns about where our moneyis going.Anyway, Zoë wanted to express her protest to the organization aboutthe change in location, and I certainly did not want to quashher urgeto do so, so I promised to pass on her message. Here it is:Dear Feast,I'd like to make a suggestion on account of the location ofFeast. Asa ten year old girl, I'm sure you don't take me seriously. And I'msure you think I only want you to stay in Florida because Ithink it'sfun there. I can tell you it's fun for everyone involved in theprogram and you are making a huge mistake. Florida may have homosexual issues and a bad environment, but they haven't done anythingwrong to the speakers or anyone involved, have they? I'm sure no onethere has given you a hassle about anything. Why move to a cold, 3star place when you can live in peace at a 5 star hotel, with abeach,and a pool, and great places to visit?? If things have gone wrong,notify me and I'll take back the comment. Just a suggestion.Thank youfor listening.Sincerely Yours,Zoë Stubblefield(Daughter of AnnaStubblefield, Speakerat Feast of 2009)***********************************Anna StubblefieldChair, Department of PhilosophyRutgers University-Newark------------------------------End of FEAST-L Digest - 5 Oct 2009 to 6 Oct 2009 (#2009-147)************************************************************------ End of Forwarded Message--Alison M. JaggarCollege Professor of DistinctionUniversity of Colorado at BoulderPhilosophy and Women and Gender StudiesBoulder, CO 80309-0232303-492-8997 (direct line)303-492-6132 (dept. office)303-492-8386 (fax)
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Binghamton University
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