We need some clarification about the elevated rings and scoring at the state tournament. We are experiencing the problem that the rings settle on the axles and are virtually impossible for the robot to remove. Even when we are very careful to be sure that they are gently perched, they still have a tendency to become firmly anchored. Our robot is very accurate in retrieving the elevated rings but when they are firmly settled on the axle, it causes the robot to get 'stuck' in that portion of the program. Will the referees intervene to unstick the rings during the match? Leslie Eckmann -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ADMIN-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-admin-l.html to subscribe.