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Four other thoughts...

1. Releasing something like this shortly before a tournament might be an
attempt to prompt somebody to try to make big changes.  Big changes without
time to refine and perfect is usually unproductive.

2. There was a lot of "aiming" at the beginning of these missions.  Not
usually a good or consistent strategy.

3. You don't know how many "takes" it took before they had one on video that
worked.

4. And in a bit more the spirit of gracious professionalism, the team that
posted is from Hong Kong.  I have no idea what their schedule is like but
they may be done with their tournament.  Should they wait on all the
tournaments to happen before posting their videos?  I know of at least one
qualifier tournament in Ohio that won't be until January.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Darlene Pantaleo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The video shows each solution independently and takes 5 1/2 minutes to
> complete them all. It is also edited together. The trick is to get as much
> of this done within the time constraints as possible, and generally requires
> joining missions together to get them accomplished.
>
> Darlene Pantaleo
> FLL Judge Advisor
> Maggie Walker
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>
> On Oct 29, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Sonya Shaver wrote:
>
> It's too bad that someone has posted this.  I don't think it's okay, and it
> spoils the fun of figuring out the challenge on their own.  However, there
> is no way that judges could deduct points for anything that was similar,
> because there will always be teams who have the same ideas of how to solve a
> mission, that just happened to come up with a similar solution, or even one
> that looks exactly alike.  So that wouldn't be fair for judges to deduct
> points.  That is actually probably going to happen a lot with some of these
> missions, that many teams will have a similar idea on how to solve
> something.  We had a research idea one year that another team in another
> state won an award for, and so they had some videos about them on the
> internet.  And literally, it was almost our team's exact idea, many things
> about it were exactly the same.  Yet, my team had never heard of this other
> team, talked to them, etc.  It happens.
>
> If my team had found that video by accident, I would have had them turn it
> off immediately and not let them be influenced by it, unless they saw it
> without you knowing, at another time.  I think the point you want to
> emphasize is not, "don't copy their ideas because you might get caught and
> get points deducted" but rather, the more important reasons why they
> wouldn't want to copy someone else's ideas.  It is not nearly as easy to
> copy someone's idea though, because you still have to write the program and
> make it work.  However, with only a week to go, they must be fairly close to
> finalizing their programming anyway.
>
>
>
> Sonya
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Sean Paus <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> One of my team members just found a YouTube video that shows a robot
>> solving the Body Forward robot missions:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCsTDr1-wOM
>>
>> Obviously, several members of my team asked me "Can we do that?".  I
>> cautioned them that judges may be aware of this video and may deduct points
>> for using someone else's solution.  Would that be a fair assessment?
>>
>> I, personally, am very disappointed to find that someone posted solutions
>> to this problem before the end of the tournament season.  I'd prefer that my
>> boys come up with their own solutions to the missions.  I would not rule out
>> researching robot designs and programs that solve different, yet similar
>> problems.   However, handing them solutions to the current challenge seems
>> ... wrong to me.
>>
>> What are other coaches thoughts on this?  How about anyone who may be
>> judging competitions in the VA/DC area?
>>
>> Sean M. Paus
>> FLL Coach
>>
>> --
>> A: Yes
>> > Q: Are you sure?
>> >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>> >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?
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