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I totally with the point that trying to change your program and missions is
foolish at this stage. As it is it was very painful to come this far - with
the programs, attachments and getting the kids to co-ordinate! We are way
over the time limit and trying to cut the time - but changing the whole
strategy seems like a real far-fetched notion for our division 1 team.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Jamie Diamond <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Four other thoughts...
>
> 1. Releasing something like this shortly before a tournament might be an
> attempt to prompt somebody to try to make big changes.  Big changes without
> time to refine and perfect is usually unproductive.
>
> 2. There was a lot of "aiming" at the beginning of these missions.  Not
> usually a good or consistent strategy.
>
> 3. You don't know how many "takes" it took before they had one on video
> that worked.
>
> 4. And in a bit more the spirit of gracious professionalism, the team that
> posted is from Hong Kong.  I have no idea what their schedule is like but
> they may be done with their tournament.  Should they wait on all the
> tournaments to happen before posting their videos?  I know of at least one
> qualifier tournament in Ohio that won't be until January.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Darlene Pantaleo <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> The video shows each solution independently and takes 5 1/2 minutes to
>> complete them all. It is also edited together. The trick is to get as much
>> of this done within the time constraints as possible, and generally requires
>> joining missions together to get them accomplished.
>>
>>  Darlene Pantaleo
>> FLL Judge Advisor
>> Maggie Walker
>> P/F: 804.745.2493
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Sonya Shaver wrote:
>>
>> It's too bad that someone has posted this.  I don't think it's okay, and
>> it spoils the fun of figuring out the challenge on their own.  However,
>> there is no way that judges could deduct points for anything that was
>> similar, because there will always be teams who have the same ideas of how
>> to solve a mission, that just happened to come up with a similar solution,
>> or even one that looks exactly alike.  So that wouldn't be fair for judges
>> to deduct points.  That is actually probably going to happen a lot with some
>> of these missions, that many teams will have a similar idea on how to solve
>> something.  We had a research idea one year that another team in another
>> state won an award for, and so they had some videos about them on the
>> internet.  And literally, it was almost our team's exact idea, many things
>> about it were exactly the same.  Yet, my team had never heard of this other
>> team, talked to them, etc.  It happens.
>>
>> If my team had found that video by accident, I would have had them turn it
>> off immediately and not let them be influenced by it, unless they saw it
>> without you knowing, at another time.  I think the point you want to
>> emphasize is not, "don't copy their ideas because you might get caught and
>> get points deducted" but rather, the more important reasons why they
>> wouldn't want to copy someone else's ideas.  It is not nearly as easy to
>> copy someone's idea though, because you still have to write the program and
>> make it work.  However, with only a week to go, they must be fairly close to
>> finalizing their programming anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sonya
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Sean Paus <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> One of my team members just found a YouTube video that shows a robot
>>> solving the Body Forward robot missions:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCsTDr1-wOM
>>>
>>> Obviously, several members of my team asked me "Can we do that?".  I
>>> cautioned them that judges may be aware of this video and may deduct points
>>> for using someone else's solution.  Would that be a fair assessment?
>>>
>>> I, personally, am very disappointed to find that someone posted solutions
>>> to this problem before the end of the tournament season.  I'd prefer that my
>>> boys come up with their own solutions to the missions.  I would not rule out
>>> researching robot designs and programs that solve different, yet similar
>>> problems.   However, handing them solutions to the current challenge seems
>>> ... wrong to me.
>>>
>>> What are other coaches thoughts on this?  How about anyone who may be
>>> judging competitions in the VA/DC area?
>>>
>>> Sean M. Paus
>>> FLL Coach
>>>
>>> --
>>> A: Yes
>>> > Q: Are you sure?
>>> >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> >>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?
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