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if we the robot knocks the flower off the table while delivering the
groceries, does that affect the scoring?

zack

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 12:27 PM, VA/DC Referee Advisor <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Well, I received some very specific setup instructions from Scott Evans:
>
> "The flower's location and orientation are given consistently in every
> available picture ... it is the case that the centerpiece does need to
> be centered on the table, with its base clocked 45 degrees."
>
> If I zoom in on the large picture of the Practice Field in the Field
> Setup instructions, I can make out the orientation of the
> centerpiece's base, as described.
>
> Of course, by Rule 28, the text quoted above is not official.
> Nevertheless, based on the pictures in the Field Setup, the official
> setup position for the centerpiece is in the middle of the table, and
> it is quite appropriate for teams to check the location of the
> centerpiece, and for the referee to adjust it as needed.
>
> Thanks to Vienna Robotics for bringing this up!
>
>
> I think that Charlie's questions weren't intended for me, so I'll just
> comment that "Robot game text means exactly and only what it says."
>
> Steve Scherr
> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
>
>  On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Charles Aldridge <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > "Hidden Freedoms" are a part of every FLL challenge so I wonder if this
> is
> > an opportunity.  What text should be considered besides the scoring
> > condition?  It states "the flower centerpiece can be there too".  It
> doesn't
> > say "must be there."  Steve noted that the referee will not adjust the
> field
> > set up prior to a match to a position requested by the team.  After the
> > match begins, what constrains a team from removing the flower from the
> > table?
> >
> > ~Charlie Aldridge
> >
> > MISSION: GROCERIES - Here's your chance to buy undamaged goods, as fresh
> as
> > possible, with the fewest ingredients possible, from trustable places,
> and
> > get your cold stuff home and put away as soon as possible!
> >
> > SCORING CONDITION(S): EACH grocery unit is worth 2 POINTS if the table is
> > supporting all of its weight, and no weight other than grocery units (the
> > flower centerpiece can be there too).
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "VA/DC Referee Advisor" <
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> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [VADCFLL-L] Position of flower on dinner table
> >
> >
> >> Andy,
> >>  I'll have to stall on the question of whether the position of the
> >> flower centerpiece is specifically the middle of the table, while I
> >> send off a question.
> >>
> >>  The response to the second question depends on the first--if the
> >> center of the table is the "official setup position", then the referee
> >> should move the centerpiece there if the team notices that it isn't
> >> there.  If not, the referee shouldn't move the centerpiece to a
> >> specific location in response to a team request.
> >>
> >>  I do know, from unofficial channels, that the centerpiece serves a
> >> dual function--to look pretty and to get in the way, so I am uncertain
> >> about how much weight to give to the specific location in the picture.
> >> Typically, pictures indicate general locations and layout, and
> >> wording and mat marks show specific locations (e.g. the Field Setup
> >> would have said "The flower is centered on the table.  See pictures &
> >> mat marks.")
> >>
> >> Steve Scherr
> >> VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:19 AM, Andy Traiger <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Steve,
> >>>
> >>> Is the position of the flower centerpiece on the table approximately in
> >>> the
> >>> center of the table as shown in the field setup picture? If we get to a
> >>> tournament table and the flower is substantially off-center on the
> dinner
> >>> table, may we ask the ref to move it to the center?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Andy Traiger
> >>> Coach Vienna Robotics
> >>>
> >>> P.S. My team and I thank you sincerely for your quick, detailed and
> >>> enlightening responses to everyone's questions. Thanks for all you do
> to
> >>> make this a rewarding, educational and fun experience for the kids (and
> >>> coaches too)!
> >>>
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