Having put together 12 sets, I am concerned about the bowling pins as well. They broke apart moving them to the boxes, and fell apart in the boxes without any help. They are the most fragile thing I've ever seen built from LEGOs. I am thinking they need some sort of stick down through them, such as the ones we used for the flowers, but glue would do the trick. On Sep 25, 2012, at 9:06 AM, VA/DC Referee Advisor wrote: > Brian, > thanks for bringing up this question. I don't always think about > all the kinetic effects of the game until I see the robots in action. > > There are a couple of pertinent bullets in Rule 22, Model Damage: > * If a model is manipulated into a scoring condition, but gets > damaged during the process, the condition is marked scoreless. > * Any model damage obviously due to poor setup or lack of maintenance > is treated with benefit of the doubt. > > More importantly, Rule 32, Precedence/Authority, says that the > information in the Missions document takes priority over the Rules. > The Bowling mission requires that the pins be knocked down by impact > from a ball. If the bowling pins were not correctly set up straight > and tightened, then it's quite possible that they would be damaged > because of the impact. So, as long as the robot is not using a > bazooka-like effect to launch the bowling ball, my ruling would be > that damage to the pins would NOT cause the Bowling mission to be > marked scoreless. > > Although I sympathize strongly with the distinction between > "deliberate mission model damage" and "accidental mission model > damage", this year's rules don't include wording about intention > (except to say that you aren't allowed to assume it [Rule 3]). That > doesn't really affect teams, because teams that intended to do > something that could damage mission models shouldn't be able to argue > that it was unintentional. So be careful, if the robot delivers the > garden upside down or on its side and one of the flowers breaks off, > then the Gardening mission is likely to be marked scoreless. > > Lastly, recent Virginia/DC FLL policy has been that tournament > models will not be glued together, so your teams shouldn't expect to > see unbreakable models during a competition. > > Steve Scherr > VA/DC FLL Referee Advisor > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Bdh612-ess <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> Rule 25 says that mission models broken in the process of being moved into >> scoring position are scoreless. This seems obvious, but the bowling pins >> have me concerned - they're long, spindly, easily separated, and they're >> having a ball launched at them. I've had to put them back together so many >> times, I can't count. >> >> Does this mean the robot has to throw/launch/project/whatever the ball at >> the pins gently? >> >> Brian >> >> ________________________________ >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit >> https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave >> the list". >> VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. >> Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to >> subscribe. > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". > > -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.