It is easy to come to a conclusion based on the results with some level of accuracy. Furthermore, I did noticed that some Division I teams outscore Division II teams by a lot. However, as a Rookie coach for a set of rookie team members with no experience programming the eV3; I set the objective of completing three easy tasks. Once the kids figure it out, it was extremely difficult for me to keep them focus on our rookie objective of completing 3 missions. The team was successful completing 3 mission in every with scores ranging between 103 - 123. My promise to the kids was that next year they will be allow to program as many missions as they can fit in 2.5 minutes using this year's foundation to at least double 2013 score. They will still be in Division I as sixth graders and they will probably exceed 250 points. Carlos E Coach FLL Team 8501 AKA - Mind Storm Guardian's On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:29 PM, Rick & Susan Steenrod <[log in to unmask]> wrote: The spontaneous robot task is a wonderful idea. I have coached for 4 years and do not know how to program. My kids do it all on their own.... As a matter of fact, my team is completely student driven. As a teacher, it is easy to see where adult intervention comes into play. My kids did everything on their own and I am proud of them. Let's hope FLL does not turn in to programming kids to say the right answer for the judges and continues to be a learning and growing experience. Thanks for making the suggestion! ----- Original Message ----- >From: Sujata Mohapatra >To: [log in to unmask] >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:26 PM >Subject: [VADCFLL-L] About VADC Tournaments > > > > >Thanks to the all organizers, judges, volunteers for their hard work to make the tournament successful at Chantilly. > > > >I am coaching a team since last 2 years, but I I have enough experience from coaching teams in other STEM activities (Odyssey of the mind etc.) to guide a team and observe a team. If I understand correctly the main purpose of FLL is to motivate students to involve in STEM and apply to the real world. Last week our team was competing in division II in Chantilly High school. The team had a sound score on all 3rd round of robot performance. All our team members are very focused and very interested in science, academically very bright. I am working with them since last 6 years and very proud of them. Some of the team members have 3-4 years of NXT programming experience. When they were practicing I realized how much hard work, perfection, calculation and time management needed to get a good score in the tournament. In reality most of the teams struggle with managing time of 150 minutes. Last week in Chantilly,most of the division II ( above 7 grade) could not achieve 200 points in any of the round where 3rd/4th grader rookie team got a consistence score in all 3 rounds above (250- 390). Unbelievable! > > >Sorry to ask this question to the coaches who are programming the robot for their teams, Are you giving chance to the kids to learn or your main priority is to get an award and proceed to the next level? Definitely, FLL Core value does not allow this. > > >FLL should give a spontaneous robot task to the teams to program and run the robot during the robot design and programming judging time to test the ability of the team. > > >Thanks. > > > >________________________________ > To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". >VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to subscribe. ________________________________ To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-announcements-l.html to subscribe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE or CHANGE your settings, please visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-l.html and select "Join or leave the list". -- VADCFLL administrative announcements are sent via VADCFLL-ANNOUNCEMENTS-L. Visit https://listserv.jmu.edu/archives/vadcfll-ANNOUNCEMENTS-l.html to subscribe.