Hear, hear! I'm happy to see this thread and recommend the readings Diana mentioned. Best, Susan On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Meyers, Diana wrote: > I havenıt been able to follow every bit of this conversation, but I hope > Iım not repeating earlier posts. Some feminist philosophers have started > discussing age/aging. Margaret Walker edited a collection on aging called > Mother Time (Rowman and Littlefield), and my collection Being Yourself > (Rowman and Littlefield) includes a chapter called ³Feminine Mortality > Imagery: Feminist Riposts.² I hope there will be lots more work maybe a > future Hypatia special issue on women and aging. Best, Diana > ************************************** > Diana Tietjens Meyers > Professor Emerita of Philosophy > University of Connecticut, Storrs > [log in to unmask] > http://dianatietjensmeyers.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > On 1/23/14, 2:07 PM, "Alison Reiheld" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Folks: >> >> I would be interested in seeing more philosophical work on age and >> ageing, along >> the lines of what Judy is considering. >> >> One thing that got me thinking about this lately, along with >> heteronormativity >> and gender/sex dichotomy and pronatalism and granting full moral status >> to the >> fetus and biological parenting, is the following "stages of life" my >> kindergartener recently informed me about which they had learned during a >> Health unit: first you grow in your mommy's belly, then you are born, >> then you >> are a baby, then a boy or a girl, then a teenager, then an adult, then a >> mommy >> or a daddy, then an elder, and then you die. >> >> There is a lot to work with there. >> >> Best, >> Alison >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Alison Reiheld >> Assistant Professor, Department of Philosophy >> College of Arts and Sciences >> SIU-Edwardsville >> [log in to unmask] >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Quoting Judy Andre <[log in to unmask]>: >> >>> A first, basic, point: Everyone has "age," just as everyone has race, >>> culture, and gender. Age is a relational term, but a largely >>> untheorized one. >>> That's what I'm after. >>> >>> Questions of justice arises immediately: Are some parts of the life span >>> privileged at the expense of others? See Toni Calasanti et al on that >>> question. >>> >>> But I'm after something else: the last stage of life in our own culture >>> lacks >>> meaning. There are no ideals, obligations, responsibilities; few >>> rights; no >>> initiation ceremonies. Could/should that be different? If so, in what >>> relationship to other stages of life? Sentient biological beings are >>> aware of >>> their place on a spectrum, and that awareness is part of their >>> self-understanding. >>> >>> I should have mentioned that Peg Simons has also worked on these >>> questions, >>> drawing from Beauvoir's La Vieillesse. >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ann Ferguson [[log in to unmask]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:49 PM >>> To: Judy Andre >>> Cc: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: Older philosophers >>> >>> Hi, like Judy I just added myself to the Women of Philosophy website >>> after >>> feeling momentarily vanished when I didnt see my name there. I >>> understand >>> why retired and non-academically affiliated women philosophers were not >>> originally included--we are often not as present on the web in official >>> websites run by the academy, and tend not to have our own personal >>> websites >>> because of the hassle of learning how to set one up as an older person >>> not >>> familiar with the technology or even having some self-doubts about what >>> her >>> "career" means and should be pursued as a thinker. For example, I have >>> given >>> up trying to post my bibliography of books and articles on the Phil >>> Papers >>> website because it is too frustrating to figure out! A problem of how >>> some >>> people age (including me) I guess. >>> >>> Regarding ageing as a philosophical topic I agree that we could use >>> more >>> feminist philosophical analysis of it as an issue. I am not aware of >>> much >>> that has been done since Marilyn Pearsall's excellent work in the >>> 1980s. But >>> it is an issue I personally shy away from because it is not part of my >>> central understanding of myself and I dont want to be pigeon-holed as an >>> "old" feminist philosopher, which tends to imply that I have insights >>> about >>> the past of feminist theory and philosophy but not much to offer about >>> current issues and developments in feminist theory. After all there >>> have >>> been several "turns" in feminist theory and philosophy since I wrote >>> most of >>> my original feminist theory, and for awhile it felt like postmodern and >>> poststructuralist feminist theory had dissed my type of materialist >>> feminist >>> theory as old-fashioned (cf. Nicholson, ed Feminism/Postmodernism, >>> 1990 or >>> so). I see the "old-fashioned" label as an ad-hominem, and >>> wrong-headed, >>> since in my view theory production does not move in a linear direction >>> but >>> more in a spiral type fashion. >>> >>> Maybe others dont feel that way, but I would be interested to hear the >>> personal resonances of both older feminist philosophers to this identity >>> question and also of youngers to how they think of older thinkers. >>> >>> Ann Ferguson >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Judy Andre >>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> Thanks to all who created the Women in Philosophy list; I've just added >>> myself, and it was as easy as promised. I chose to call myself >>> "emerita," but >>> it's probably true that "independent scholar" gets more respect. >>> >>> Which leads to my real point. As some of the anguished responses from >>> older >>> women philosophers indicated, there is important political work to be >>> done >>> about inclusiveness and age. There is also a great deal of interesting >>> *philosophical* work to be done (of course the personal, political, and >>> philosophical intersect), and some of us have started to do it. Hats >>> off to >>> Kate Lindeman, who has been a pioneer in the area. >>> >>> I would be glad to share what I am doing, and I think Kate would be as >>> well. >>> Let's get together and help clear this new land. >>> >>> From: Feminist ethics and social theory >>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] on behalf >>> of Joan >>> Callahan [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:47 PM >>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Re: Women in Philosophy Directory Launched! >>> >>> Dear Sally, >>> >>> In response to the comments on Emerita by Eva et al. -- I must say that >>> when >>> I checked the list, I felt I had become a vapor. >>> >>> As you might realize, I well know what kind of work goes into an effort >>> like >>> this, Sally, and I mean no criticism. This is an enormous >>> contribution. I >>> really know of no one else who has done as much as you have done, not >>> only as >>> a remarkable, theoretically groundbreaking feminist scholar, but at >>> least as >>> importantly as a smart, loving, and effective colleague in fostering >>> professionally and personally the community of feminist philosophers. >>> We are >>> all in your debt and will forever remain so. >>> >>> So my comments are exclusively about this latest contribution, which I >>> DO >>> understand is a work in progress. Please take them as just trying to >>> make it >>> the best it might be. >>> >>> I am SURE you know that there are still many of us, formally retired >>> now, who >>> do try to continue to "pitch in," which is putting it MUCH too mildly >>> for so >>> many who continue to "produce" major philosophical work (think of >>> Lorraine >>> Code, for example) at an astounding level, as well as work out of the >>> professional public eye continuing supporting students, as well as other >>> matters too numerous to mention. >>> >>> Please, then, could whoever is putting this together try to get us old >>> folks >>> included and KEEP getting us included without having to personally add >>> ourselves in? More of us continue to retire. Please don't forget us. >>> >>> I also VERY STRONGLY suggest that having a formal emeritus status >>> should be >>> let go immediately. >>> >>> There are some very, very fine independent scholars who have chosen that >>> route for a variety of reasons, and have made SUBSTANTIAL contributions >>> to >>> philosophy, including feminist philosophy (and often continue to do so) >>> -- >>> Helen Bequaert Holmes comes quickly to mind as one major example. >>> Given her >>> remarkable early work on feminsit bioethics, it is untinkable to me >>> that she >>> would not be most enthusically included in an inaugural version of >>> "Women of >>> Philosophy." >>> >>> Forgive me, please. But, then of course, I know you will. >>> >>> All best, >>> Joan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Eva Kittay >>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> It was not because there were emeritus that they were not on. The list >>> was I >>> guess just a way to get this going. I was left out as were all my >>> colleagues >>> at SBU. I have just urged everyone to sign themselves in. It is a >>> very good >>> thing to have. So I join my thanks to those of others. But it would >>> help if >>> people were alerted that the list was still a work in progress with >>> respect >>> to its comprehensiveness. It's clear however that you are welcome to >>> add >>> yourself or others. >>> Best, Eva >>> >>> Eva Feder Kittay >>> Distinguished Professor of Philosophy >>> Stony Brook University >>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> 212-333-4670<tel:212-333-4670> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:58 PM, "Meyers, Diana" >>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> My sample is limited, but almost all the emerita philosophers I know are >>> women currently working in philosophy. Those who donıt feel they >>> belong on >>> the list because theyıve lost interest in teaching and/or writing can >>> opt >>> out, I imagine. Thanks so much, Sally and volunteers, for compiling >>> this >>> list. Best, Diana >>> ************************************** >>> Diana Tietjens Meyers >>> Professor Emerita of Philosophy >>> University of Connecticut, Storrs >>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> http://dianatietjensmeyers.wordpress.com/ >>> >>> >>> From: Linda Lopez McAlister >>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> Reply-To: Society for Women in Philosophy Information and Discussion >>> List >>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 at 12:59 PM >>> To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" >>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> Subject: Re: Women in Philosophy Directory Launched! >>> >>> It's a bit confusing, Sally, since the page itself says "women currently >>> working in philosophy". >>> >>> Linda Lopez McAlister >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "Sally Haslanger" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> >>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:34:44 AM >>> Subject: Re: Women in Philosophy Directory Launched! >>> >>> Hi Tangren: >>> There are many emerita on the list already so please add yourself! An >>> emerita faculty member is a faculty member! >>> Best, Sally >>> >>> >> ************************************************************************** >> ***************** >>> Please note: I am on sabbatical this term. If I have not been prompt in >>> responding to your email, it is because I'm really trying to remember >>> how to >>> read and write something other than emails. >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> Sally Haslanger >>> Professor of Philosophy and Women's and Gender Studies >>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology >>> http://sallyhaslanger.weebly.com >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Tangren Alexander >>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> --Apple-Mail-1--349425262 >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> Content-Type: text/plain; >>> charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> As an Emerita Professor, I'm wondering why we retired women are not = >>> represented. >>> No need to answer, but please think about it. >>> Best, >>> Tangren Alexander >>> >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:15 PM, Sally Haslanger wrote: >>> >>> Dear all: >>> >>> I would like to let you know about a new directory of women = >>> philosophers. It can be found at: >>> >>> www.womenofphilosophy.com<http://www.womenofphilosophy.com>. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a crowd-sourced database searchable by 1) name, 2) school, 3) = >>> faculty position, 4) areas of specialization, 5) primary research = >>> interests, and 6) geographical location. It currently contains over 650 >>> = >>> names of women philosophers working on faculties of higher education = >>> across the world. As it stands, the listing is far from comprehensive, = >>> and we are relying on the goodwill of members of the profession to keep >>> = >>> the database up-to-date and as comprehensive as possible.=20 >>> >>> >>> >>> Women with a Ph.D. in philosophy holding a faculty position (e.g., = >>> post-doc, adjunct, tenure-track, tenured, etc.) should check if they = >>> have an entry in the database and send any additions or corrections = >>> under the =91Submit=92 tab. Please use that tab to add yourself if you = >>> are not currently listed. We invite anyone to submit a name, including = >>> names of women in philosophy outside of the U.S. >>> >>> >>> >>> The database should be an invaluable resource for conference >>> organizers, = >>> editors, hiring committees, and anyone interested in learning more >>> about = >>> the work of women in the profession. Please spread the word! >>> >>> >>> >>> Enjoy! Sally >>> >>> >>> >>> Work to produce this database was completed by a team of volunteers. = >>> Thanks to the Committee on the Status of Women and MIT for their = >>> support, and to all those who have contributed. >>> >>> >>> >>> = >>> >>> ************************************************************************* >>> *= >>> ***************** >>> Please note: I am on sabbatical this term. If I have not been prompt >>> in = >>> responding to your email, it is because I'm really trying to remember = >>> how to read and write something other than emails. >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> Sally Haslanger >>> Professor of Philosophy and Women's and Gender Studies >>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology >>> http://sallyhaslanger.weebly.com >>> -------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> --Apple-Mail-1--349425262 >>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> Content-Type: text/html; >>> charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = >>> -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">As >>> an = >>> Emerita Professor, I'm wondering why we retired women are not = >>> represented.<div>No need to answer, but please think about = >>> it.</div><div>Best,</div><div>Tangren = >>> Alexander</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 20, 2014, at = >>> 2:15 PM, Sally Haslanger wrote:</div><br = >>> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div dir=3D"ltr"><p = >>> class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial">Dear all:</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial">I would like to let you know about a new = >>> directory of women philosophers. It can be found at:</span><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Helvetica"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p = >>> class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial"><a >>> href=3D"http://www.womenofphilosophy.com/" = >>> >> target=3D"_blank">www.womenofphilosophy.com<http://www.womenofphilosophy.c >> om></a>.</span><span >>> = >>> style=3D"font-family:Helvetica"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p = >>> class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial"><br></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial">This is a crowd-sourced database searchable >>> = >>> by 1) name, 2) school, 3) faculty position, 4) areas of specialization, >>> = >>> 5) primary research interests, and 6) geographical location. It = >>> currently contains over 650 names of women philosophers working on = >>> faculties of higher education across the world. <span = >>> style=3D"color:rgb(20,20,20)">As it stands, the listing is far from = >>> comprehensive, and we are relying on the goodwill of members of the = >>> profession to keep the database up-to-date and as comprehensive as = >>> possible. </span></span><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Helvetica"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p = >>> class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial"><span = >>> style=3D"color:rgb(20,20,20)"><br></span></span></p><p >>> class=3D"MsoNormal"= >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> >>> <span style=3D"font-family:Arial">Women with a Ph.D. in philosophy = >>> holding a faculty position (e.g., post-doc, adjunct, tenure-track, = >>> tenured, etc.) should check if they have an entry in the database and = >>> send any additions or corrections under the =91Submit=92 tab. Please >>> use = >>> that tab to add yourself if you are not currently listed. We invite = >>> anyone to submit a name, including names of women in philosophy outside >>> = >>> of the U.S.</span><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Helvetica"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p = >>> class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial"><br></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial;color:rgb(37,15,45)">The database should be = >>> an invaluable resource for conference organizers, editors, hiring = >>> committees, and anyone interested in learning more about the work of = >>> women in the profession. Please spread the word!</span></p><p = >>> class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial;color:rgb(37,15,45)"><br></span></p><p = >>> class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial;color:rgb(37,15,45)">Enjoy! = >>> Sally</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial;color:rgb(37,15,45)"><br></span></p><p = >>> class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial;color:rgb(37,15,45)">Work to produce this = >>> database was completed by a team of volunteers. Thanks to the Committee >>> = >>> on the Status of Women and MIT for their support, and to all those who = >>> have contributed.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" = >>> style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span = >>> >>> style=3D"font-family:Arial;color:rgb(37,15,45)"><br></span></p><div><div >>> = >>> dir=3D"ltr"><div = >>> >>> style=3D"text-align:center"><i>****************************************** >>> *= >>> ************************************************</i></div> >>> <div><i>Please note: I am on sabbatical this term. If I have not = >>> been prompt in responding to your email, it is because I'm really >>> trying = >>> to remember how to read and write something other than = >>> >>> emails.</i></div><div>--------------------------------------------------- >>> -= >>> ----</div> >>> Sally Haslanger<br>Professor of Philosophy and Women's and Gender = >>> Studies<br>Massachusetts Institute of Technology<div><div><a = >>> href=3D"http://sallyhaslanger.weebly.com/" = >>> target=3D"_blank">http://sallyhaslanger.weebly.com</a></div> >>> = >>> >>> <div><div><div>--------------------------------------------------------<b >>> r= >>>> </div></div></div></div></div></div> >>> </div> >>> </div><br></div></body></html>= >>> >>> --Apple-Mail-1--349425262-- >>> >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the FEAST-L list: write to: >>> >> mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:FEAST-L-SIGNOFF >> [log in to unmask]> >>> or click the following link: >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=FEAST-L&A=1 >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the FEAST-L list: write to: >>> >> mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:FEAST-L-SIGNOFF >> [log in to unmask]> >>> or click the following link: >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=FEAST-L&A=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ann Ferguson >>> Professor emerita of Philosophy and Women's Studies UMass Amherst and >>> feminist activist >>> >>> ############################ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the FEAST-L list: >>> write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> or click the following link: >>> https://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=FEAST-L&A=1 >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> SIUE Web Mail >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the FEAST-L list: >> write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] >> or click the following link: >> https://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=FEAST-L&A=1 > > ############################ > > To unsubscribe from the FEAST-L list: > write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > or click the following link: > https://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=FEAST-L&A=1 ############################ To unsubscribe from the FEAST-L list: write to: mailto:[log in to unmask] or click the following link: https://listserv.jmu.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=FEAST-L&A=1